sullynd Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I’m skeptical but this is interesting. https://www.macheclub.com/threads/fords-vw-id-4-based-ev-spotted-in-clay-model.2746/?fbclid=IwAR1r3TgZXO7gmoVLvBSbYXGzf-ODHYy4KyT8VXp9EpnpsozmO31wA3o371s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It could be anything... not enough context and information to make a call. Don't see any Ford styling cues and looks a bit too big to be Ford MEB. Ford already said they are only using MEB for compact/C-segment size and below vehicles. If this is really the same size as ID.4 and Mach E, then it is more Edge size, which is using Ford's Model E platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, bzcat said: It could be anything... not enough context and information to make a call. Don't see any Ford styling cues and looks a bit too big to be Ford MEB. Ford already said they are only using MEB for compact/C-segment size and below vehicles. If this is really the same size as ID.4 and Mach E, then it is more Edge size, which is using Ford's Model E platform. Looks way too small to be midsized. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTL2017 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 There was a ford authority article that shows the same thing. https://fordauthority.com/2021/04/compact-european-ford-ev-built-on-volkswagen-meb-platform-spied-under-cover/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 To me, the proportions seem like a stretched Escape. Lower and not as wide, like an Escape. But longer like an Edge. So maybe as long as a Mach E. Just narrower. But hey, I don't have X-Ray vision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) Certainly not a fastback... Edited April 7, 2021 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, JTL2017 said: There was a ford authority article that shows the same thing. https://fordauthority.com/2021/04/compact-european-ford-ev-built-on-volkswagen-meb-platform-spied-under-cover/ Lower ground clearance than the Mach-E? Isn’t that what’s known as a “sedan”? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, bzcat said: It could be anything... not enough context and information to make a call. Don't see any Ford styling cues and looks a bit too big to be Ford MEB. Ford already said they are only using MEB for compact/C-segment size and below vehicles. If this is really the same size as ID.4 and Mach E, then it is more Edge size, which is using Ford's Model E platform. It’s still a compact but the short overhangs front and rear throws off perception of actual size. And you’re right, this could be anything but maybe signals that the most space efficient design going forward is to place a wheel at each corner of BEVs, the same way as the British Mini did in the 1960s. A design like that offers a ton of interior space in a smaller outside package but it also gives a longer wheelbase big car ride in a compact vehicle, a big selling point. Edited April 7, 2021 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It looks pretty small, like a Kia Soul size car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: It’s still a compact but the short overhangs front and rear throws off perception of actual size. And you’re right, this could be anything but maybe signals that the most space efficient design going forward is to place a wheel at each corner of BEVs, the same way as the British Mini did in the 1960s. A design like that offers a ton of interior space in a smaller outside package but it also gives a longer wheelbase big car ride in a compact vehicle, a big selling point. Looking at the photos again and I think you are right... it is a compact. The article said it is about the size of ID.4 or Mach E but clearly it is not. Check out the size of the wheels... assuming they are 18" (which is typical now days on compact CUVs), this thing is going to be roughly the size of Bronco Sport but with longer wheelbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 It’s small but then again I seen a report saying Corsair EV coming in 2020 whatever here so who knows. I thought that meb picture is for the German plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Oacjay98 said: It’s small but then again I seen a report saying Corsair EV coming in 2020 whatever here so who knows. I thought that meb picture is for the German plant Presumably Ford wouldn't be designing two different MEB CUV of the same size so whatever goes in Cologne will also be in Oakville and Chongqing. We are basically talking about next gen Escape/Kuga. Edited April 7, 2021 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgb Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Pretty large "Frunk" area for a BEV. I would think a clean sheet design would minimize the frontal area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, bzcat said: Presumably Ford wouldn't be designing two different MEB CUV of the same size so whatever goes in Cologne will also be in Oakville and Chongqing. We are basically talking about next gen Escape/Kuga. That’s true kinda makes me wonder why they would be smaller vehicles in Canada since we have such high labor costs according to the bean counters. We do have that free trade agreement with Europe so that could be a factor. I think you’re right though about the vehicles being built at more than one facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 It looks like it has those haunches or fins like on that concept that was shown off in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 5 hours ago, bzcat said: Looking at the photos again and I think you are right... it is a compact. The article said it is about the size of ID.4 or Mach E but clearly it is not. Check out the size of the wheels... assuming they are 18" (which is typical now days on compact CUVs), this thing is going to be roughly the size of Bronco Sport but with longer wheelbase. Exactly and where the interior volume falls will determine which EPA size it conforms to. Theres a lot of exciting possibilities with BEVs, I hope Ford has the good sense to test the limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 My local dealer had a Mach e and I went and checked it out. It’s a small vehicle and pretty low to the ground as it is. It’s hard to imagine this being smaller and lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 hours ago, T-dubz said: My local dealer had a Mach e and I went and checked it out. It’s a small vehicle and pretty low to the ground as it is. It’s hard to imagine this being smaller and lower. I agree. Every time I see one I feel like calling it an SUV is a stretch because it looks and stands more like a hatchback car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I agree. Every time I see one I feel like calling it an SUV is a stretch because it looks and stands more like a hatchback car. In an alternate reality, it would be called a Mustang Mach E fastback. But in this reality, everything is a SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Terms like SUV, crossover and Utilities in general are marketing term that struggle to convey precision in distinguishing the variety of vehicles that are now becoming the norm for many buyers. And then you have international markets and reporters who persist with calling everything cars and SUVs, no wonder that some potential buyers get mixed messages on what vehicles are called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 20 years ago, Ford called the Fusion (the european one) a hatchback. 20 years later, Fusion's spiritual successor Puma is marketed as a utility despite lower roof line and ride height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stromberg2 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I want that Puma. Please Ford, bring it to the US. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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