rmc523 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/28/2022-honda-civic-sedan-revealed The front end reminds me of the '90s Accords. I actually like the interior. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Honda press release and video. All-New 11th Generation Civic Sedan Fully Revealed in Production Form with Sporty Design, Advanced Technology, Cutting-Edge Safety Features (hondanews.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) Interesting fact. Honda Civic is the best selling new car or light truck for these groups of retail consumers in the U.S. First time new car/truck buyers Millennials Gen Z Non-white people Edited April 29, 2021 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Non-white people The press release says “multicultural”. Not the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, akirby said: The press release says “multicultural”. Yes sir. The definition of "multicultural" in the Honda press release comes from IHS Markit, which also uses the word "ethnic" to describe the group. IHS Markit's definition of "multicultural" or "ethnic" in this context is Asian, Native American, Hispanic and African American car buyers. In other words, car buyers who aren't non-Hispanic whites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) I don't think those statics will keep up with Gen Z and Millennials, this vehicle is getting torn apart the Honda forums. It is too boring for that market. Who'd have thought, the Civic is now the old persons car, and the Corolla is a young car. You'd think after the Gen 9 disaster Honda would have learned but apparently not. History repeats itself. Edited April 29, 2021 by jasonj80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, jasonj80 said: I don't think those statics will keep up with Gen Z and Millennials, this vehicle is getting torn apart the Honda forums. It is too boring for that market. Who'd have thought, the Civic is now the old persons car, and the Corolla is a young car. You'd think after the Gen 9 disaster Honda would have learned but apparently not. History repeats itself. Honda has always alternated between revolutionary and evolutionary with successive generations of Civic. 11th gen is clearly evolutionary. Some people might find the styling of new Civic boring compared to 10th gen, that is true. But the 11th gen car still looks way better than any of Honda's crossovers. We'll have to wait for 3rd party road test reviews to confirm that the engineering excellence in 10th gen Civic hasn't been watered down in 11th gen, but I don't think 11th gen will be the disaster than the 1st year of 9th gen was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 4 hours ago, rperez817 said: Yes sir. The definition of "multicultural" in the Honda press release comes from IHS Markit, which also uses the word "ethnic" to describe the group. IHS Markit's definition of "multicultural" or "ethnic" in this context is Asian, Native American, Hispanic and African American car buyers. In other words, car buyers who aren't non-Hispanic whites. Their definition is stupid. Those are all one culture, not multiples. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG. It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rperez817 said: Honda has always alternated between revolutionary and evolutionary with successive generations of Civic. 11th gen is clearly evolutionary. Some people might find the styling of new Civic boring compared to 10th gen, that is true. But the 11th gen car still looks way better than any of Honda's crossovers. We'll have to wait for 3rd party road test reviews to confirm that the engineering excellence in 10th gen Civic hasn't been watered down in 11th gen, but I don't think 11th gen will be the disaster than the 1st year of 9th gen was. I'm biased, as I had a 93 Si hatchback, but my favorite generation is the 5th Gen (followed by 4th, and 6th). The 10th was a total abomination. It's like they let a jr high school kid who had been raised on the fast and the furious franchise design the car. My 93 was a great car especially since I was in college. Put 275k on it after buying it used with 60k. They just don't make cars like that anymore. It had some utility since it was a hatch, fun to drive, easy to maintain, and thrifty at the pump. As a middle aged adult, I don't know if I would feel the same way now but....nostalgia. Edited April 29, 2021 by jcartwright99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, akirby said: Their definition is stupid. I agree. IHS Markit's definitions of ethnic and multicultural make no sense also because non-Hispanic whites in the USA have many different ethnic groups like Nordic, Anglo, Celtic, Slavic, etc., and multiple cultures like Yankee, Appalachian, Deep Southern, Midwestern, etc. Anyway, I used the phrase "non-white people" in my post rather than "multicultural" as in the original Honda press release because the IHS Markit definition is simply referring to non-white (and whites who are Hispanic) new car buyers. The word Hispanic as used in the U.S. is stupid too, but that's a subject for another forum. Edited April 29, 2021 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said: I'm biased, as I had a 93 Si hatchback, but my favorite generation is the 5th Gen (followed by 4th, and 6th). The 10th was a total abomination. It's like they let a jr high school kid who had been raised on the fast and the furious franchise design the car. My 93 was a great car especially since I was in college. Put 275k on it after buying it used with 60k. They just don't make cars like that anymore. It had some utility since it was a hatch, fun to drive, easy to maintain, and thrifty at the pump. As a middle aged adult, I don't know if I would feel the same way now but....nostalgia. I bought a first year Acura Integra 3 door hatchback in 86 - loved that car. Bright blue manual. We had an older used 81 Accord. Traded for a 88 Civic 4 door. Traded that for a 91 Accord Sedan. All great vehicles. Then we switched to Ford. Not a big fan of the newer Hondas, but I'd buy one over a chevy or toyota any day of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Is it an Accord or is it a Civic? Generic sedan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: I bought a first year Acura Integra 3 door hatchback in 86 - loved that car. Bright blue manual. We had an older used 81 Accord. Traded for a 88 Civic 4 door. Traded that for a 91 Accord Sedan. All great vehicles. Then we switched to Ford. Not a big fan of the newer Hondas, but I'd buy one over a chevy or toyota any day of the week. I almost got a 91 Integra before I found the Civic. I went from a basic manual 97 Escort to a 93 Civic stick. I then realized that my Escort DID NOT have a good stick shift. Those years for Honda really solidified their sporty/quality reputation. I came real close to buying a 17 Accord V6 but the AWD/better deals pushed me towards the Fusion. You couldn't pay me to drive most Toyota's even though they are quality appliances. GM...a big nope. I will be interested in pricing and sales for this new Civic compared to their other models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 I think it is a HUGE improvement over the last generation. It looks mature and dare I say, upscale. Who cares what the Honda forums say, they'll be buying it. Most people on forums that own an existing model of a vehicle never seem to like the next generation because the one they have is the "perfect" one. Then once the new model becomes the norm, it becomes the perfect one and the cycle begins again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 21 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG. It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot). Yeah, I like the honeycomb/cheese grater cover for the air vents. Looks more unique than the horizontal stakes most companies are doing on their full width air vents these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 22 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: It's OK I guess. Like a miniature Accord to an extent. I don't like the scrunchy face of the new Accord. Interior looks interesting. I like the cheese grater look going across the dash area as it is unique. It will probably get fantastic MPG. It will do ok for the Honda loyalist who absolutely wants a fuel efficient, cheaper sedan. I just can't see paying for this knowing I could get a CRV for a bit more. I am starting to think with the HRV and CRV, the Civic sales number will continue to trend downward much like the Accord (with Passport and Pilot). Civic sales have held up reasonably well, considering the effects of the pandemic and the age of the current model. The Accord is the one that has been getting hammered from all sides. Many people who prefer a car either buy a less-expensive Civic, or move up to a low-level luxury sedan via a lease (most of the Accords I see at the local dealer sticker for at least $30,000). People who want room move up to a crossover. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I prefer the previous generation. This one is rather boring by comparison, and doesn’t stand out as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Screen grab of presentation showing 2022 Civic trim levels and prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2022 Civic Hatchback debuted today. 2022 Honda Civic Hatchback Makes Global Debut During Honda Civic Tour “Remix” Virtual Performance (hondanews.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) On 4/29/2021 at 2:51 PM, silvrsvt said: Is it an Accord or is it a Civic? Generic sedan. IMHO-The Accord is on it's way out and this vehicle will take it's place for both classes of vehicles-eventually. Edited June 24, 2021 by CKNSLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, CKNSLS said: IMHO-The Accord is on it's way out and this vehicle will take it's place for both classes of vehicles-eventually. I agree CKNSLS sir. Cars.com said that 2022 Civic is even better than the Accord. 2022 Honda Civic First Drive Review: Honda’s Boy Racer Grows Up | Expert review | Cars.com Quote "The whole experience of driving the new Civic is one of sophistication, and as good as an Accord is, this just might be better. The chassis response is excellent, the ride and handling balance is outstanding, and there’s actual steering feel and feedback, too. It feels considerably lighter on its feet than a new Accord, which always struck me as a bit piggish and heavy. If, like me, you really don’t see any need for a new crossover when there are still sedans out there that are this good, you’re going to want to put this new Civic on your list." Edited June 25, 2021 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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