coolaqua Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 As a retired employee of a major aerospace company, I'm dumbfounded that Ford management isn't able to even manage having a current version of Ford.com that can be used to build a 2022 vehicle. This trivial software revision is probably one that an entry level programmer could update in a few days. Ford management seems to be missing in action on this subject. Management isn't that hard. Just tell your employees to get it done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 It’s not necessarily incompetence. They usually don’t put up new vehicles until the previous models have been sold and the new ones are in stock at dealers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
succeed23 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I think there is fair criticism that can be levied at Ford for a lot of things, but I don't think Ford has historically opened up there website this early for the next year's model. Having said that, I do agree that they should step up the quality of the services on their website. The Ford order tracker is horrible. Canadians can't look up the status of their vehicles, and Americans can't get accurate information from the tracker. Tesla provides buyers with better tracking information, so an American staple surely should be able to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolaqua Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 What Ford has historically done in the past doesn't really apply to the current situation. Before he moved to Ford, Alan Mullaly coined a phrase when he was at Boeing called a "paradigm shift". So just since Ford hasn't historically opened up the Ford.com until later in the year really has no bearing to the current situation. You cannot order a 2021 Ford anymore. There's long threads on this website of people trying to track or order 2022 Fords. Ford needs to adjust to this reality. People are managing to order buy Fords in spite of the lack of help from Ford itself. Ford management needs a Paradigm shift. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
succeed23 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, coolaqua said: What Ford has historically done in the past doesn't really apply to the current situation. Before he moved to Ford, Alan Mullaly coined a phrase when he was at Boeing called a "paradigm shift". So just since Ford hasn't historically opened up the Ford.com until later in the year really has no bearing to the current situation. You cannot order a 2021 Ford anymore. There's long threads on this website of people trying to track or order 2022 Fords. Ford needs to adjust to this reality. People are managing to order buy Fords in spite of the lack of help from Ford itself. Ford management needs a Paradigm shift. That's news to me that 2021 can't be ordered. Historical context matters, so I don't get your point. I'm aware that Ford gas stopped pulling orders, but I know folks that have ordered trucks as recently as last week. How recent are you talking about with regard to people not being able to order 2021s? Edited May 15, 2021 by succeed23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, coolaqua said: There's long threads on this website of people trying to track or order 2022 Fords. No there isn't. There are currently 0 plants building 2022s right now. Hell, the way things are going with this chip shortage we can barely build 2021s. Edited May 15, 2021 by fuzzymoomoo 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
succeed23 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No there isn't. There are currently 0 plants building 2022s right now. Hell, the way things are going with this chip shortage we can barely build 2021s. Haha. I didn't realize he said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
succeed23 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 @coolaquacheck out this thread for the dates of the 2022 model. https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/71087-2022-f-150-production-information/&do=findComment&comment=1132494 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 9:48 PM, coolaqua said: What Ford has historically done in the past doesn't really apply to the current situation. Before he moved to Ford, Alan Mullaly coined a phrase when he was at Boeing called a "paradigm shift". So just since Ford hasn't historically opened up the Ford.com until later in the year really has no bearing to the current situation. You cannot order a 2021 Ford anymore. There's long threads on this website of people trying to track or order 2022 Fords. Ford needs to adjust to this reality. People are managing to order buy Fords in spite of the lack of help from Ford itself. Ford management needs a Paradigm shift. There's no such thing as "later in the year". Every vehicle has it's own schedule. Some debut in January or March or June or December. You can't order directly from Ford anyway and the dealers have all the ordering information, so it doesn't stop anyone from placing an order. The order guides are available here. What Ford doesn't want to do is advertise the new models while there are a lot of previous models still on dealer lots. That's reality. You're also overestimating the number of folks that special order a brand new model year vehicle before it hits dealers. That's a tiny tiny percentage (not counting Bronco and Mach-E). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) IMO if 21 production ends soon, 22MY build and price tools should be available. It was aggravating having to rely on a salesman's word of what was available, compatible, etc...when I could have done my own hw in advance. Edited June 23, 2021 by Bluezilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bluezilla said: IMO if 21 production ends soon, 22MY build and price tools should be available. It was aggravating having to rely on a salesman's word of what was available, compatible, etc...when I could have done my own hw in advance. The order guides are the definitive source of that information and they are posted here usually as soon as the order banks open. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I saw, I wish I would have stumbled on this site sooner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRedneck Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 This is the first time we've actually ordered a vehicle, so all of this is new to me. Usually, we've simply gone to the dealership and were able to find what we wanted. This time around, I wanted to order an Aviator BL exactly the way the wife wanted it...which was basically "with everything AND the kitchen sink"....lol But, since the first thing she does is make sure a .45 will fit in the console, I'm not going to argue with her! It IS aggravating to sit back and watch zero progress/updates on our order....placed August 5th and have the VIN # - but that's it. No kind of hint/guidance as to when it'll get built, etc. The last word we got from our dealer was that it was scheduled to be built October 25th - IF that date holds, can anyone venture a guess as to when we can look for delivery? We're trying to plan a trip out to NV, AZ and NM once it arrives, and I'm just trying to figure out if we'll be able to get it in before the snows hit, or if we should wait until early spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHoncho01 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, TexasRedneck said: This is the first time we've actually ordered a vehicle, so all of this is new to me. Usually, we've simply gone to the dealership and were able to find what we wanted. This time around, I wanted to order an Aviator BL exactly the way the wife wanted it...which was basically "with everything AND the kitchen sink"....lol But, since the first thing she does is make sure a .45 will fit in the console, I'm not going to argue with her! It IS aggravating to sit back and watch zero progress/updates on our order....placed August 5th and have the VIN # - but that's it. No kind of hint/guidance as to when it'll get built, etc. The last word we got from our dealer was that it was scheduled to be built October 25th - IF that date holds, can anyone venture a guess as to when we can look for delivery? We're trying to plan a trip out to NV, AZ and NM once it arrives, and I'm just trying to figure out if we'll be able to get it in before the snows hit, or if we should wait until early spring. All automakers are suffering from the microchip crisis. It has actually gotten worse in the past few weeks as several companies based in Viet Nam and Malaysia have shut down due to COVID because of their government orders. The more technology your vehicle has the more microchips it takes. The automakers have no control over this situation. Your dealer can provide you with your order number and your VIN. You can track your vehicle on https://shop.lincoln.com/vehicle-order-tracking# It's not 100% accurate but is close. Once the window sticker is available, you can look at the top of it. There will be a blend date that starts with a 1 followed by the year, month and day. I have a Corsair Grand Touring on order since July 5. My window sticker became available last week. My blend date is 120210922. The blend date is when all parts are scheduled for assembly. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRedneck Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, RedHoncho01 said: All automakers are suffering from the microchip crisis. It has actually gotten worse in the past few weeks as several companies based in Viet Nam and Malaysia have shut down due to COVID because of their government orders. The more technology your vehicle has the more microchips it takes. The automakers have no control over this situation. Your dealer can provide you with your order number and your VIN. You can track your vehicle on https://shop.lincoln.com/vehicle-order-tracking# It's not 100% accurate but is close. Once the window sticker is available, you can look at the top of it. There will be a blend date that starts with a 1 followed by the year, month and day. I have a Corsair Grand Touring on order since July 5. My window sticker became available last week. My blend date is 120210922. The blend date is when all parts are scheduled for assembly. Good luck! Thanks. I certainly didn't intend to come off as complaining...just somewhat disappointed. Having said that, I certainly understand the situation with thSe chip shortage - I own a small business (water softeners sales & repair), and have purposely gone back to analog-style controllers for that very reason. What I get from the order tracking system is: Ordered: 8/5/2021 Order Number: 2231 VIN: 5LM5J9XC3NGL05068 We ordered ours the last week of July, and knew there'd be a delay on it showing up as ordered. Still no window sticker or blend date, so we're pretty much in limbo. Then again, every month they delay it is a month closer to being able to write a check for most of the car purchase, so that's okay. We're trading in her '20 Aviator RII w/under 9k miles, so there's not going to be a huge $$ gap anyway. It'd have more miles on it if it hadn't sat waiting for parts at various times for a cumulative total of over 5 months....lol We're not mad about it - I knew better than to order a first-year model vehicle, but the wife fell in love w/it, so it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHoncho01 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, TexasRedneck said: Thanks. I certainly didn't intend to come off as complaining...just somewhat disappointed. Having said that, I certainly understand the situation with thSe chip shortage - I own a small business (water softeners sales & repair), and have purposely gone back to analog-style controllers for that very reason. What I get from the order tracking system is: Ordered: 8/5/2021 Order Number: 2231 VIN: 5LM5J9XC3NGL05068 We ordered ours the last week of July, and knew there'd be a delay on it showing up as ordered. Still no window sticker or blend date, so we're pretty much in limbo. Then again, every month they delay it is a month closer to being able to write a check for most of the car purchase, so that's okay. We're trading in her '20 Aviator RII w/under 9k miles, so there's not going to be a huge $$ gap anyway. It'd have more miles on it if it hadn't sat waiting for parts at various times for a cumulative total of over 5 months....lol We're not mad about it - I knew better than to order a first-year model vehicle, but the wife fell in love w/it, so it is what it is. Yeah, this chip crisis has hit just about every business but the automakers are being hit the hardest. IHS predicts the automakers won't see any relief until 2023. One plus is used car values are very high. I bought a used CPO 2019 Lincoln Nautilus in March 2020. It is worth what I paid for it as a trade in with nearly 12,000 more miles on it. FYI, you picked a nice ride. I know you will enjoy it once you get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRedneck Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, RedHoncho01 said: Yeah, this chip crisis has hit just about every business but the automakers are being hit the hardest. IHS predicts the automakers won't see any relief until 2023. One plus is used car values are very high. I bought a used CPO 2019 Lincoln Nautilus in March 2020. It is worth what I paid for it as a trade in with nearly 12,000 more miles on it. FYI, you picked a nice ride. I know you will enjoy it once you get it. Thanks - I'm sure we will! And yeah - the chip situation is driving everyone nuts right now. I can't imagine the nightmares that the auto makers are going through, though - I think we've all seen the satellite pictures of the Ford trucks parked at the holding area! And you're right on the used car values - they're talking TI a bit over the purchase price on our 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillum Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Maybe May was a bit early but it is now the end of October and ford.com still doesn't let you build out a 22 (for most models). I ordered a 22 Ranger and it is scheduled for the week of 1/3. You cannot go into a dealer and order a 21 but that is all that the website shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, jwillum said: Maybe May was a bit early but it is now the end of October and ford.com still doesn't let you build out a 22 (for most models). I ordered a 22 Ranger and it is scheduled for the week of 1/3. You cannot go into a dealer and order a 21 but that is all that the website shows. Ford is usually very late to convert the build configurator to the new Model Year. Pre-COVID, they'd wait until enough of the previous year's inventory was sold but there's little excuse now with the low inventory situation and Ford encouraging customers to place factory orders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillum Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 5 hours ago, ice-capades said: Ford is usually very late to convert the build configurator to the new Model Year. Pre-COVID, they'd wait until enough of the previous year's inventory was sold but there's little excuse now with the low inventory situation and Ford encouraging customers to place factory orders. Yes, I went off of the order guide you had posted to help decide on what I wanted. Thank you for that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard1 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I have been waiting for the A/Z plan pricing to come online before ordering my 2022 F150. I can't wait much longer ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 12 hours ago, theoldwizard1 said: I have been waiting for the A/Z plan pricing to come online before ordering my 2022 F150. I can't wait much longer! Contact your Dealer. All the specifications and prices are available in the WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohsown Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) In Canada Ford advertised $1500 off on 2022 Explorer factory orders. My buddy and I each ordered one but using the info for a 2021 on the Ford site for build and order. No provision for 2022 build on line. Like Ice said the dealer had info for X and A plan pricing and thanks Ice for the 22 order guide and info on expedited orders optioning start stop delete. Fingers crossed for the estimated Nov 8 build dates and 15th & 22nd delivery dates. Edited October 31, 2021 by ohsown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard1 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 6:51 AM, ice-capades said: Contact your Dealer. All the specifications and prices are available in the WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system. Order is in, not scheduled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPTORSM Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 They cant even make the orders they have now imagine placing new ones that you cant even build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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