ANTAUS Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Autoblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfeg Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Looks like a nice offering. But, most commercial users around here that use half tons use regular cab 8 foot bed units. Hopefully those will come in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, lfeg said: Looks like a nice offering. But, most commercial users around here that use half tons use regular cab 8 foot bed units. Hopefully those will come in the future. Maybe down the road they'll develop a 1-wheelbase version, using a SCab 6-1/2' bed, or Regular cab 8' bed options? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Maybe down the road they'll develop a 1-wheelbase version, using a SCab 6-1/2' bed, or Regular cab 8' bed options? I don't think there is any question we'll see super cab, regular cabs and long beds at some point, but probably not until volume ramps up significantly. I'm sure there is enough demand for 4 door fleet trucks for the time being. My city has a fleet of F150s that hardly ever haul anything. These are also available to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Looks like the base Pro Lightning gets the largest interior screen from the ICE models. Edited May 24, 2021 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Also noticed this difference. The Pro comes standard with "Ford’s EV telematics system" which will "let fleet managers keep a close eye on their fleet of F-150 Lightnings in the field and over time." That will not only be a real benefit to fleet operators, but could down the road turn into a significant revenue source for FMC. Edited May 24, 2021 by Gurgeh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: That will not only be a real benefit to fleet operators, but could down the road turn into a significant revenue source for FMC. Yes sir Gurgeh. Selling fleet data processing services is much more profitable than selling vehicles to fleet customers. Good to see Ford expand its presence in this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) $40k base price is really incredible when you think about it. It is cheaper than the F-150 XL 4WD crew cab even before the $7,500 tax credit. If you go to ford.com and build a XL crew cab 5.5 bed 3.3 V6 with 4WD and nothing else, the MSRP comes up to $42,500. If you add the STX appearance package, copilot 360, and 101A equipment group, which are a closer match to Lightning Pro, you are looking at about $45,000. So Lightning Pro is effectively about $5k cheaper than similarly equipped F-150 XL. Granted no one will pay MSRP for this basic gas XL truck but it illustrates an important point... Ford has achieve not just MSRP parity on EV but actually made it significantly cheaper: Lightning Pro has lower MSRP than the ICE equivalent (XL 4WD) AND more standard equipment, AND more power, AND $7,500 tax credit, AND lower running costs. Edited May 25, 2021 by bzcat 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) Looks like MT needed to clarify that the Pro won't be a commercial/fleet account ONLY truck. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-commercial-work-truck-regular-buyers/ HRG Edited May 26, 2021 by HotRunrGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 32 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Looks like MT needed to clarify that it won't be a commercial/fleet account ONLY truck. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-pro-commercial-work-truck-regular-buyers/ HRG Some media outlets are reporting that consumers will not be able to order the pro truck with the longer range battery (only the shorter range battery) - is there any clarification out there that both battery versions of the pro truck are available to consumers for purchase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Some media outlets are reporting that consumers will not be able to order the pro truck with the longer range battery (only the shorter range battery) - is there any clarification out there that both battery versions of the pro truck are available to consumers for purchase? Until Ford issues a statement about it, we won't really know until Ford provides more information on the vehicle specifications or until Ford releases the Lightning order guide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Until Ford issues a statement about it, we won't really know until Ford provides more information on the vehicle specifications or until Ford releases the Lightning order guide. Thank you sir. The Lightning order guide might be pretty popular, you should set-up a 25 cents/apiece spiff to yourself for your efforts! Hahaha, HRG 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Thank you sir. The Lightning order guide might be pretty popular, you should set-up a 25 cents/apiece spiff to yourself for your efforts! Hahaha, HRG Now we'll see how soon members start asking about when the Lightning Order Guide will be available! Answer... not yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Tesla has over 1 million Cybertruck reservations, unofficial tally says Per FoxBusiness.com a few minutes ago... https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/tesla-has-over-1-million-cybertruck-reservations-unofficial-tally-says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Tesla has over 1 million Cybertruck reservations, unofficial tally says Per FoxBusiness.com a few minutes ago... https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/tesla-has-over-1-million-cybertruck-reservations-unofficial-tally-says It applies to Ford too, but a reservation =/= a sale. I'm sure many just reserved a Cybertruck to say they reserved one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, rmc523 said: It applies to Ford too, but a reservation =/= a sale. I'm sure many just reserved a Cybertruck to say they reserved one. Agreed. (Lightning is now up to 70,000). Cybertruck reservations are worldwide right? It also will be interesting to see that the actual vehicle looks like. I know what my Lightning will look like. Someone who has a cybertruck reservation has no idea what it will look like. If the production vehicle is significantly different how many reservations disappear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 1. The $40k price is very competitive, even more so when reduced by $7.5k tax credit and becomes $30k if Biden's rebate passes congress. I've seen a comparable XL crew cab 4WD bid for around $28k, so if Ford can pull this off it brings pickups darn near to price equity with gas. 2. How easy will it be to upscale this electric platform to the heavier F series? Given that they all share cab designs, this could easily give Ford electric trucks all the way up in to class 5 or 6. 3. With the front end now a vestigial "frunk" that most commercial vehicles don't need and the drivetrain parts that need servicing no longer under the hood and cab, a fixed cab "short conventional" with a one meter or less long hood/ trunk lid is possible. Meanwhile, Europe is allowing an additional overall length of up to around a meter to improve truck aerodynamics. Could this synergy with electric heavy trucks lead to worldwide standardization on a short hood conventional cab? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, GearheadGrrrl said: With the front end now a vestigial "frunk" that most commercial vehicles don't need and the drivetrain parts that need servicing no longer under the hood and cab, a fixed cab "short conventional" with a one meter or less long hood/ trunk lid is possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 hours ago, GearheadGrrrl said: With the front end now a vestigial "frunk" that most commercial vehicles don't need and the drivetrain parts that need servicing no longer under the hood and cab, a fixed cab "short conventional" with a one meter or less long hood/ trunk lid is possible. Meanwhile, Europe is allowing an additional overall length of up to around a meter to improve truck aerodynamics. Could this synergy with electric heavy trucks lead to worldwide standardization on a short hood conventional cab? Hmmm, I wonder how long a Crew Cab Transit with a 6-1/2' box would be? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, rmc523 said: It applies to Ford too, but a reservation =/= a sale. Yes sir. Reservations indicate the number of "hand raisers" who are interested in purchasing a vehicle, of course not all will follow through with an actual purchase or lease. Overall, the 70,000 reservations for F-150 Lightning and 1 million plus reservations for Tesla Cybertruck indicate there's a lot of pent up demand for truly capable and technically excellent BEV pickup trucks. Edited May 26, 2021 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Supposedly FORD PRO will be a separate business from the rest of Ford and will be commercial and governmental. According to Biden policy, U.S. Government will ONLY buy products built in America. As for federal tax credits, many prospective customers don't qualify for these credits as they don't itemize. Many retirees for example own their homes free and clear and have lower property taxes to boot if they live in 55+ community with no schools. And many younger people rent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 On 5/25/2021 at 1:11 PM, bzcat said: $40k base price is really incredible when you think about it. It is cheaper than the F-150 XL 4WD crew cab even before the $7,500 tax credit. If you go to ford.com and build a XL crew cab 5.5 bed 3.3 V6 with 4WD and nothing else, the MSRP comes up to $42,500. If you add the STX appearance package, copilot 360, and 101A equipment group, which are a closer match to Lightning Pro, you are looking at about $45,000. So Lightning Pro is effectively about $5k cheaper than similarly equipped F-150 XL. Granted no one will pay MSRP for this basic gas XL truck but it illustrates an important point... Ford has achieve not just MSRP parity on EV but actually made it significantly cheaper: Lightning Pro has lower MSRP than the ICE equivalent (XL 4WD) AND more standard equipment, AND more power, AND $7,500 tax credit, AND lower running costs. It's absolutely incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 8 hours ago, ice-capades said: Tesla has over 1 million Cybertruck reservations, unofficial tally says Per FoxBusiness.com a few minutes ago... https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/tesla-has-over-1-million-cybertruck-reservations-unofficial-tally-says I highly doubt that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: Supposedly FORD PRO will be a separate business from the rest of Ford and will be commercial and governmental. That's a smart approach, especially with Ford getting more heavily involved with services and software rather than just vehicles for fleet customers. GM is doing the same thing with BEV for fleets (both government and private industry customers), they named the new business unit BrightDrop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I highly doubt that You mean they have a 100 million interest free loan from their customers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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