Harley Lover Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) The cobbled MME mule we've seen is apparently the mule for Explorer/Aviator EV: Quote Along with the Explorer EV, Ford will offer an electric Lincoln Aviator, also in 2023. Both vehicles will be distinct from the standard versions and be built in Mexico. The Explorer and Aviator will sit on a new rear-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive EV platform, one of two new dedicated EV architectures Ford announced in May. The other is for full-size pickups. Note the comment that both will be "distinct from the standard versions". This info came from a multi day dealer meeting in Dallas. https://www.autonews.com/sales/future-product-ford-ready-hit-gas-evs?utm_source=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210829&utm_content=hero-headline Edited August 30, 2021 by Harley Lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: The cobbled MME mule we've seen is apparently the mule for Explorer/Aviator EV: Note the comment that both will be "distinct from the standard versions". This info came from a multi day dealer meeting in Dallas. https://www.autonews.com/sales/future-product-ford-ready-hit-gas-evs?utm_source=weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210829&utm_content=hero-headline This ends all my speculation about Edge Nautilus replacements going to Mexico. I hope Ford does a great job on them. That mule was indeed Explorer/Aviator after all. I’m sure the UAW is till pissed off about that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: This ends all my speculation about Edge Nautilus replacements going to Mexico. I hope Ford does a great job on them. That mule was indeed Explorer/Aviator after all. I’m sure the UAW is till pissed off about that one! There was rumors a few months ago about Ford expanding the Explorer lineup and the model that was doing that would replace the Edge. The current ICE Explorer isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I wonder if they'll call it an Explorer Sport BEV...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 41 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: This ends all my speculation about Edge Nautilus replacements going to Mexico. I hope Ford does a great job on them. That mule was indeed Explorer/Aviator after all. I’m sure the UAW is till pissed off about that one! LOL, told ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: There was rumors a few months ago about Ford expanding the Explorer lineup and the model that was doing that would replace the Edge. The current ICE Explorer isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I wonder if they'll call it an Explorer Sport BEV...LOL Of course the Explorer ICE isn’t going anywhere anytime soon that would be a horrible move by Ford. It’s way too popular to do that anytime soon if at all if you ask me. Well something has to replace the Edge. Just read on Automotive News that OAC is getting Corsair some kind of Corsair platform twin CX802 and a midsized Lincoln Crossover CDX818. So that would be 3 Lincolns at OAC. Medium to low volume sellers. Maybe this is what PREMIERDRUM meant when he said the nameplates aren’t going anywhere the format is changing in regards to Edge Nautilus. Edited August 30, 2021 by Oacjay98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, jpd80 said: LOL, told ya. You sure did!!! You were spot on!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: I wonder if they'll call it an Explorer Sport BEV...LOL Ford Mustang Mach-E Ford Explorer Mach-E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, sullynd said: Ford Mustang Mach-E Ford Explorer Mach-E But the Explorer has zero association with the Mach nameplate, unlike the Mustang. We've had the following: Explorer Sport (2 door) Explorer Sport Trac So maybe Explorer Sport BEV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: But the Explorer has zero association with the Mach nameplate, unlike the Mustang. We've had the following: Explorer Sport (2 door) Explorer Sport Trac So maybe Explorer Sport BEV? They said it will be different from the ICE version so should be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: Of course the Explorer ICE isn’t going anywhere anytime soon that would be a horrible move by Ford. It’s way too popular to do that anytime soon if at all if you ask me. Well something has to replace the Edge. Just read on Automotive News that OAC is getting Corsair some kind of Corsair platform twin CX802 and a midsized Lincoln Crossover CDX818. So that would be 3 Lincolns at OAC. Medium to low volume sellers. Maybe this is what PREMIERDRUM meant when he said the nameplates aren’t going anywhere the format is changing in regards to Edge Nautilus. Maybe you guys are getting BEV versions or "Coupe/fastback" versions of the Corsair and Nautilus? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: They said it will be different from the ICE version so should be interesting Which would indicate to me that it won't be as big as the current Explorer so it wouldn't compete against it. Once the current product cycle for the Explorer is over with (in about 10 years), it would switch to its own BEV platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Maybe you guys are getting BEV versions or "Coupe/fastback" versions of the Corsair and Nautilus? I’m very curious to see what they will be but that won’t be for now we probably won’t see a picture of a mule til about 2023-24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Which would indicate to me that it won't be as big as the current Explorer so it wouldn't compete against it. Once the current product cycle for the Explorer is over with (in about 10 years), it would switch to its own BEV platform. What you’re saying sounds logical to me they have to be careful how they execute this and they’re saying it’s midsized so I wouldn’t doubt that you’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: But the Explorer has zero association with the Mach nameplate, unlike the Mustang. The Mustang and Mach names had zero association with an electric four door CUV, before they did. Ford is building sub brands. I wonder if instead of (or in addition to) a Mustang sub brand there won’t be a Mach-E sub brand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Remember that Ford is really hot right now on building distinct vehicle "families," the validation of which is bringing their portfolio in line with customer expectations from other consumer goods markets. Each family will be able to support 3 to 5 models, with maybe an exception or two: F-150 Family SuperDuty Family Transit Family Ranger Family Mustang Family Expedition Family Explorer Family Bronco Family Edge Family / Fusion Family As long as their standards and hallmarks for each brand remain focused and enforced - and they are doing a great job of this so far - it's a great strategy that maximizes consumer outreach efforts and positions the brand better that a broader portfolio of disparate products. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, sullynd said: The Mustang and Mach names had zero association with an electric four door CUV, before they did. Ford is building sub brands. I wonder if instead of (or in addition to) a Mustang sub brand there won’t be a Mach-E sub brand. Still not buying it...there is already an established name for the Explorer to use to expand its branding or establish a sub brand. The Mustang and Mach names are associated with one another and using them on a BEV was marketing masterstroke. The BEV SUV still performs like a Mustang, so it has that angle. I can see Ford using the Lightning branding for Ranger BEV. As for people doubting BEVs-This best thing I've heard when it come to them-my cousins husband was on a ride in my brother in laws Model 3 Performance and when he got it, he said-This feels like a ride at Great Adventure! I've never felt so much torque/G force from a car and I've been in a Tesla S also. Its insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 And I'll add... If funding holds for this next round of Lincoln product updates and additions... ? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, PREMiERdrum said: And I'll add... If funding holds for this next round of Lincoln product updates and additions... ? Thanks for the info and let’s hope plans don’t change too drastically or at all for that matter. Without saying it you kind of basically said there will be some kind of edge/fusion replacement. Whether the mysterious fusion active or some kind of edge. Let’s hope the strategies that they’re implementing work our well going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, sullynd said: The Mustang and Mach names had zero association with an electric four door CUV, before they did. Ford is building sub brands. I wonder if instead of (or in addition to) a Mustang sub brand there won’t be a Mach-E sub brand. Mach-E is clearly tied to Mustang Mach 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterbridge86 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 That MME mule that's been spied looks kind of small to be an Explorer/Aviator, no? I thought that was looking more like an electric Corsair. Seems weird to introduce an EV Explorer/Aviator that isn't a full size three-row vehicle like the non-EV models. Then again before the Mach-E the Mustang name had nothing to do with an electric crossover, so I guess anything's possible lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, alterbridge86 said: That MME mule that's been spied looks kind of small to be an Explorer/Aviator, no? I thought that was looking more like an electric Corsair. Seems weird to introduce an EV Explorer/Aviator that isn't a full size three-row vehicle like the non-EV models. Then again before the Mach-E the Mustang name had nothing to do with an electric crossover, so I guess anything's possible lol. Because they are actually Edge and Nautilus replacements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, PREMiERdrum said: Remember that Ford is really hot right now on building distinct vehicle "families," the validation of which is bringing their portfolio in line with customer expectations from other consumer goods markets. Each family will be able to support 3 to 5 models, with maybe an exception or two: F-150 Family SuperDuty Family Transit Family Ranger Family Mustang Family Expedition Family Explorer Family Bronco Family Edge Family / Fusion Family As long as their standards and hallmarks for each brand remain focused and enforced - and they are doing a great job of this so far - it's a great strategy that maximizes consumer outreach efforts and positions the brand better that a broader portfolio of disparate products. Where does Escape fit? Or does it fit at all? Not suggesting it has the brand equity of some of those listed, but it's a relatively large volume product in a key segment in which Ford claim to want to be (small SUV). Edited August 30, 2021 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Where does Escape fit? Or does it fit at all? Not suggesting it has the brand equity of some of those listed, but it's a relatively large volume product in a key segment in which Ford claim to want to be (small SUV). I assume it will be last as it’s cheaper than edge and Explorer and the Lincoln’s and has less potential profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 If the mule was indeed Explorer EV rather than Edge EV, then I assume that means Ford thinks Mach E is the replacement for Edge. We had assumed that Ford will make a square back version EV about the size of Mach E to replace Edge but maybe they don't intend to do so at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, bzcat said: If the mule was indeed Explorer EV rather than Edge EV, then I assume that means Ford thinks Mach E is the replacement for Edge. We had assumed that Ford will make a square back version EV about the size of Mach E to replace Edge but maybe they don't intend to do so at all. But the current Explorer isn't going anywhere and there is a considerable difference in size between the Mach E C platform and the current Explorer. It would make far more sense for Explorer Sport BEV to be based on a larger Mach E platform then it replacing the Explorer proper, esp with the timing. The Mach E is about 2 inches narrower and 3 inches shorter in overall length then the Edge. Not sure if they would make the CD sized BEV taller to make it more SUV like though, since that would impact range? Then again going by the Spy photos of the Mach E Mule here-it def has a longer wheelbase and it will def sit up higher then the MME https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/ford-mustang-mach-e-mule-is-actually-a-future-lincoln-electric-vehicle/ Edited August 30, 2021 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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