Harley Lover Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 8 hours ago, silvrsvt said: So...what are the chances that this is BEV? Zero. Way too much air intake through the grill and below the bumper to be an EV, an ic engine needs that airflow. Electrified, yes, as a hybrid and maybe PIH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 It would be nice to see the Fusion make a comeback. It actually was a pretty respected nameplate for Ford. I think a lot of it depends on the economy and buyers choice. Having one 4 door sedan in the line-up would be nice if the market shifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, twintornados said: Well, Flat Rock seems to be a facility looking for more sedan based product... My thinking is, like silvrsvt said, it will go to LAP(read his post for more details). FRAP would keep the Mustang and gain the (rumored) Mustang sedan. Edited October 30, 2021 by AGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 18 hours ago, AGR said: My thinking is, like silvrsvt said, it will go to LAP(read his post for more details). FRAP would keep the Mustang and gain the (rumored) Mustang sedan. I was thinking the Mustang would move there also. Another off the wall thought is possibly OHAP? They have a separate line (I think) that built minivans at one point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 FRAP is not going anywhere. The UAW is passed off that the new battery plants in KY and TN are not guaranteed to be UAW represented. I do not see the traditional Mustang ever leaving SE Michigan. The Mustang is to Ford as the Corvette is to GM. The next generation is scheduled to be built at least through MY 2029 at FRAP. I did hear that FRAP is planning a second shift in a year or two and that stamping operations will be moved to Woodhaven which would allow the plant to be expanded. In the last UAW contract Ford agreed to find additional product for FRAP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) There was a time when no one believed Ford will kill Ranger (Twin Cities), Taurus (Atlanta), or Crown Vic/Towncar (St Thomas). When the plant is tied to an orphaned product seeing only limited updates, the outcome is not good. Edited November 1, 2021 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, bzcat said: There was a time when no one believed Ford will kill Ranger (Twin Cities), Taurus (Atlanta), or Crown Vic/Towncar (St Thomas). When the plant is tied to an orphaned product seeing only limited updates, the outcome is not good. Mustang isn’t going away. But that doesn’t mean they have to keep FRAP open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, bzcat said: There was a time when no one believed Ford will kill Ranger (Twin Cities), Taurus (Atlanta), or Crown Vic/Towncar (St Thomas). When the plant is tied to an orphaned product seeing only limited updates, the outcome is not good. Unfortunately you could make that case for several Ford plants. 1 hour ago, akirby said: Mustang isn’t going away. But that doesn’t mean they have to keep FRAP open. Where would you build it? Mustang leaving SE Michigan would be akin to Corvette leaving Bowling Green. MAP is at capacity, and there is no way it could be built at Dearborn. All I know is what I hear and that FRAP is hiring a number of salaried people to gear up for a second shift for additional product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Footballfan said: Where would you build it? Mustang leaving SE Michigan would be akin to Corvette leaving Bowling Green. MAP is at capacity, and there is no way it could be built at Dearborn. Chicago if enough Explorer/Aviator sales go to BEVs. I doubt nostalgia would keep FRAP open just to build one low volume vehicle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, akirby said: Chicago if enough Explorer/Aviator sales go to BEVs. I doubt nostalgia would keep FRAP open just to build one low volume vehicle. Chicago....I don't think so. FLAP still seems like favorite for any future sport sedans including Fusion Active unless the UAW plays hardball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: Chicago....I don't think so. FLAP still seems like favorite for any future sport sedans including Fusion Active unless the UAW plays hardball. New Mustang shares a lot with CD6 including at least one engine and tranny, and Explorer/Aviator sales should drop as their BEV counterparts roll out. It’s the obvious choice. The fact that FRAP can’t make utilities is a killer and it’s been on the chopping block for some time now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 For what it's worth, Ford just made 78 temporary employees full-time at Flack Rock. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/10/30/ford-temporary-workers-full-time-flat-rock-ohio-assembly/6200266001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Chicago....I don't think so. FLAP still seems like favorite for any future sport sedans including Fusion Active unless the UAW plays hardball. I think the UAW would play hardball if they tried closing FRAP considering how many new builds have been sent to Mexico (Bronco Sport, Mach E, Maverick, and the two EVs that were supposed to go to OHAP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, akirby said: Chicago if enough Explorer/Aviator sales go to BEVs. I doubt nostalgia would keep FRAP open just to build one low volume vehicle. Too many bild combinations considering the number of versions of Mustangs and Explorers. Edited November 1, 2021 by Footballfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Footballfan said: Too many bild combinations considering the number of versions of Mustangs and Explorers. Doesnt seem to bother F series plants which have exponentially more build combinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Footballfan said: I think the UAW would play hardball if they tried closing FRAP considering how many new builds have been sent to Mexico (Bronco Sport, Mach E, Maverick, and the two EVs that were supposed to go to OHAP). The next FordUAW talks should be very interesting and contentious. IMO, FLAP and TN investment will be big sticking points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: The next FordUAW talks should be very interesting and contentious. IMO, FLAP and TN investment will be big sticking points. The workers would move to other plants so the union won’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 hours ago, akirby said: New Mustang shares a lot with CD6 including at least one engine and tranny, and Explorer/Aviator sales should drop as their BEV counterparts roll out. It’s the obvious choice. The fact that FRAP can’t make utilities is a killer and it’s been on the chopping block for some time now. Wait….FRAP can’t build utilities???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: The workers would move to other plants so the union won’t care. Your right there, it seems the UAW rolled on the last contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, akirby said: Doesnt seem to bother F series plants which have exponentially more build combinations. Bottom line, if FRAP were to have closed, it would have before the new Mustang were to be built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Wait….FRAP can’t build utilities???????? Nope. Certain parts of the assembly line (building?) are too low for any type of utility vehicle. And it would essentially require a tear down and rebuild to fix it, which is why I don’t think it will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, akirby said: Nope. Certain parts of the assembly line (building?) are too low for any type of utility vehicle. And it would essentially require a tear down and rebuild to fix it, which is why I don’t think it will last. I think the main holdup is the paint shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 13 hours ago, Footballfan said: Your right there, it seems the UAW rolled on the last contract. They "didn't roll", this is a common mistake. Any contract would need to be ratified by the membership, if the members voted it down, the UAW would have to go back to the table. Unions are member driven organizations and they are driven by the members that vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Footballfan said: Bottom line, if FRAP were to have closed, it would have before the new Mustang were to be built. Not necessarily. It’s a timing issue as to when it can be moved. It is possible they keep it open but only if they add some other cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, akirby said: Not necessarily. It’s a timing issue as to when it can be moved. It is possible they keep it open but only if they add some other cars. And from what I hear that is the plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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