Ford signs COP26 declaration for 100% ZEV transition by 2035

[Deanh]

56 minutes ago, Flying68 said:

One could also point to government mandates being necessary to push industry into making the necessary investments and changes to drive that shift.  The obstacles can be overcome in the timeline mandated, however without the force of government, those necessary investments and changes may not otherwise happen because it is easier and more profitable to stick with the status quo.  One could also postulate though that venture capital and wall street have already made the determination that the change to BEV and a sustainable future is necessary for survival and is thus reflected in the market cap of the EV makers vs the legacy companies and that because of this the mandate is unnecessary.  I believe it is a bit of both.

 

What we are generally seeing is a pushback of those that don't like change and are fighting to keep within their comfort zone.  This happens with any major technological shift.  The companies that embrace the change will survive, those that don't will perish.  People themselves will gradually make the switch as they see friends and family members making the change for fear of being left behind.

very well put. My issue...and Ill guess Im not the only one...is NOT having the ultimate choice on how to spend MY money...especially on something that is the exact opposite of what it claims to be....environmentally clean with little carbon footprint.....

[jpd80]

5 hours ago, Deanh said:

very well put. My issue...and Ill guess Im not the only one...is NOT having the ultimate choice on how to spend MY money...especially on something that is the exact opposite of what it claims to be....environmentally clean with little carbon footprint.....

Even Joe Biden wouldn’t sign up to a commitment on a deadline to end burning coal, political reality is that it takes time to get viable replacements for base load generation. There’s no point to everyone switching to EVs and just burning more coal…..hybrids and PHEVs can reach more people and lower emissions almost immediately without impacting on the power grid, why not do that until battery tech improves to the point of 500 mile range quick fill.

 

Why not settle on a safer Thorium based reactor design that could be multiplied across the country or even the world, give the planet a rest for 100 years and maybe recover.

Edited November 12, 2021 by jpd80

[rmc523]

5 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Even Joe Biden wouldn’t sign up to a commitment on a deadline to end burning coal, political reality is that it takes time to get viable replacements for base load generation. There’s no point to everyone switching to EVs and just burning more coal…..hybrids and PHEVs can reach more people and lower emissions almost immediately without impacting on the power grid, why not do that until battery tech improves to the point of 500 mile range quick fill.

 

Why not settle on a safer Thorium based reactor design that could be multiplied across the country or even the world, give the planet a rest for 100 years and maybe recover.

 

Because that doesn't fit the "holier than thou" narrative.

[jpd80]

33 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

Because that doesn't fit the "holier than thou" narrative.

Seriously, if there was a “don’t tell me what to do party”, they’d win in a landslide…..

[akirby]

Yes, a mandate will force some investment that might not happen otherwise, such as public charging stations.  But some things like grid capacity, multi day power outages, recycling and natural resources must be solved by governments and technological advances.

 

Like most initiatives, it’s relatively easy to get to 75% EV (including hev and phev) which would drastically reduce emissions, but going 100% BEV is orders of magnitude harder and more expensive.  Meanwhile industrial pollution continues.

 

This notion that it has to be all or nothing is just feel good virtue signaling combined with hatred for the oil industry.rather than fiscally responsible technical problem solving.

[paintguy]

I'm having a really hard time envisioning this carbon neutrality by 2035. Building the cars, and all importantly selling and charging them is one thing. Some of the more well heeled might invest the equivalent of a new Navigator for solar cells and battery back up to recharge their Mach E. Now, what does it take to run the assembly plants for the Mach E or F-150 Lightning. The lights, conveyors, air handling, paint ovens, etc by renewables. Remember for a viable plant 3 shift operation is required. So limiting it to when the sun shines and the wind blows is rather unrealistic. And the steel, aluminum, glass and plastics, beyond my comprehension. 

[jpd80]

12 minutes ago, paintguy said:

I'm having a really hard time envisioning this carbon neutrality by 2035. Building the cars, and all importantly selling and charging them is one thing. Some of the more well heeled might invest the equivalent of a new Navigator for solar cells and battery back up to recharge their Mach E. Now, what does it take to run the assembly plants for the Mach E or F-150 Lightning. The lights, conveyors, air handling, paint ovens, etc by renewables. Remember for a viable plant 3 shift operation is required. So limiting it to when the sun shines and the wind blows is rather unrealistic. And the steel, aluminum, glass and plastics, beyond my comprehension. 

The reality is that Europe and North America have been offshoring those kinds of industries to Asia as a way of reducing costs and putting emissions out of reach of the EPA. This is the main reason why China has risen to be the biggest global emitter and why a lot of the pressure now falls on them to cut emissions, close down those 500 coal fired power plants it built in the past decade and become truly green.

[rperez817]

14 hours ago, paintguy said:

Now, what does it take to run the assembly plants for the Mach E or F-150 Lightning. 

 

During the COP26 conference, Ford announced the auto industry's first sustainable financing framework. One of the focus areas for proceeds of this financing is what Ford calls "Clean Manufacturing". Ford, Ford Credit Introduce Sustainable Financing Framework Prioritizing EV, Clean Production, Community Investments | Ford Media Center

 

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Clean Manufacturing – Further reducing the environmental footprint of Ford’s operations through renewable energy, sustainable water and wastewater management, waste management, and energy-efficient buildings.  As examples, Ford’s new advanced campuses in Tennessee and Kentucky will be designed to have as minimal an impact as possible – and even to generate beneficial effects – on the surrounding environment.

Edited November 14, 2021 by rperez817

[paintguy]

1 hour ago, rperez817 said:

 

During the COP26 conference, Ford announced the auto industry's first sustainable financing framework. One of the focus areas for proceeds of this financing is what Ford calls "Clean Manufacturing". Ford, Ford Credit Introduce Sustainable Financing Framework Prioritizing EV, Clean Production, Community Investments | Ford Media Center

 

Hope it works. Like to see how it factors into a TARR calculation.

[lfeg]

This pledge is all well and good, but there is one big BUT : Look at the total energy used in the US in the highway vehicle transportation sector. It is a large number, and even accounting for the increased efficiency of EVs, we will have to significantly increase our generating capacity to cover this. And to cover the charging stations needed, there will have to be in increase in transmission line capacity.

Just in permitting, it takes years to get a permit to construct a facility (we are going to need nuclear to provide 24 hour baseload for a great portion). For reference, to get a permit to build a 40 mile transmission line connection, our local utility had to go through a permitting process that took 12 years.

 

What good are all of these EVs going to be if we have a shortage of electricity to charge them?

[paintguy]

1 hour ago, lfeg said:

This pledge is all well and good, but there is one big BUT : Look at the total energy used in the US in the highway vehicle transportation sector. It is a large number, and even accounting for the increased efficiency of EVs, we will have to significantly increase our generating capacity to cover this. And to cover the charging stations needed, there will have to be in increase in transmission line capacity.

Just in permitting, it takes years to get a permit to construct a facility (we are going to need nuclear to provide 24 hour baseload for a great portion). For reference, to get a permit to build a 40 mile transmission line connection, our local utility had to go through a permitting process that took 12 years.

 

What good are all of these EVs going to be if we have a shortage of electricity to charge them?

All the greenies think we can do this with a "WW II" style effort. Realize we built cities, factories without any public disclosure, let alone discussion. The first atomic reactor built on Chicago's South Side (University of Chicago), without even the mayor knowing. Picture that happening today. 

 

East Coast residents are vowing to fight windmills 15 miles off the coast due to concerns about fish disturbance, and diminished view. Yet these same people are good with dredging and sand pumping to replenish beaches.

[rperez817]

On 11/14/2021 at 9:16 AM, rperez817 said:

 

During the COP26 conference, Ford announced the auto industry's first sustainable financing framework. One of the focus areas for proceeds of this financing is what Ford calls "Clean Manufacturing". Ford, Ford Credit Introduce Sustainable Financing Framework Prioritizing EV, Clean Production, Community Investments | Ford Media Center

 

 

Looks like GM is following Ford's lead with sustainable financing framework. Today it sold $2.25 billion in green bonds. For comparison, Ford's green bond offering in November 2021 was $2.5 billion. GM selling first green bonds hoping to challenge Tesla in EVs | Automotive News (autonews.com)

[rperez817]

On 11/14/2021 at 9:16 AM, rperez817 said:

During the COP26 conference, Ford announced the auto industry's first sustainable financing framework. One of the focus areas for proceeds of this financing is what Ford calls "Clean Manufacturing". Ford, Ford Credit Introduce Sustainable Financing Framework Prioritizing EV, Clean Production, Community Investments | Ford Media Center

 

Ford just released a report summarizing updates on its sustainable financing framework. Sustainable Financing Report 2022 (q4cdn.com)

 

Highlights.

• Nearly 90% of net proceeds from Ford’s inaugural green bond have been allocated to clean transportation projects, including investments in Ford’s electric vehicle lineup   
• The report also outlines the lifetime emissions achieved by the Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit
• The sustainable financing report is consistent with the company’s Ford+ business plan to create value for stakeholders