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On 11/29/2021 at 10:21 AM, rperez817 said:

 

Good to hear that your personal experience involving EA and your Mustang Mach-E is a positive one sullynd sir, pun intended. ?

 

Beyond individual anecdotes like ours, J.D. Power and PlugShare did a study involving 6,647 plug-in vehicle owners in their U.S. Electric Vehicle Experience (EVX) Public Charging Study. As expected, customer satisfaction with Tesla Superchargers far exceeds that for other DCFC public charging providers including EA. 2021 U.S. Electric Vehicle Experience (EVX) Public Charging Study | J.D. Power (jdpower.com)

 

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2022 U.S. Electric Vehicle Experience for public charging study results from J.D. Power came out this week. It shows that the gap in customer satisfaction between Tesla Supercharger and the other DC Fast Charging service providers has widened in the past year. 2022 U.S. Electric Vehicle Experience (EVX) Public Charging Study | J.D. Power (jdpower.com)

 

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Electrify America announced that new retail customers of Ford F-150 Lightning will get 250 kWh of free DC fast charging at their stations. This is similar to the offer that EA and Ford provided Mustang Mach-E retail customers starting in 2020. Ford F-150 Lightning™ Customers to Receive 250 kWh of Complimentary Ultra-Fast Charging at Electrify America Charging Stations - Electrify America NEWSROOM

 

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6 hours ago, Footballfan said:

It was a good article that goes on to state..."If every country achieved its stated ambitious EV targets by 2030, the world would save 231 million tons of CO-2 emissions.  Plugging these savings into the standard UN Climate Panel model, that comes to  a reduction of .0002 degree Fahrenheit by the end of the century"

 

On another note on Friday, the Journal had a piece entitled ..Janet Yellen's Fantasy Economy.  As the name implies she is diminishing her good reputation by spouting much of the Biden party line.  It also referenced....."Ms Yellen spoke at the Ford rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, and you know  why.  Ford is  getting a  gusher of new subsidies and regulatory favors under the Biden Administrations  new industrial property.

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E-Transit Custom for Europe was officially introduced a few days ago. All-New, All-Electric E-Transit Custom from Ford Pro is Set to Spark the EV Revolution in Europe for Small Businesses | Ford Media Center

 

Highlights.

  • All-new E-Transit Custom is the EV successor to Europe’s best-selling van with uncompromised capability, new customer experiences and full Ford Pro support
  • Ford Pro ecosystem, Ford Power-Up over-the-air updates and industry-first customer experiences unlock ongoing productivity for small businesses
  • Next-generation electric powertrain delivers targeted range of up to 380 km, 125 kW fast charging, class-leading 2,000 kg towing, plus payload up to 1,100 kg
  • E-Transit Custom’s ground up design includes digital solutions to support multi-drop delivery, cab and load compartment access, as well as “Mobile Office” workspace
  • Ford Otosan joint venture to produce E-Transit Custom in Kocaeli, Turkey, following $2 billion facilities investment, with production starting in autumn 2023
  • E-Transit Custom is the first-ever electric vehicle to use vapour-injected heat pump technology to heat and cool the cabin, fitted as standard to all vehicles. This new system is designed to deliver improved energy efficiency for optimum driving range.

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On 9/12/2022 at 11:53 AM, rperez817 said:

Ford's patent on vapor injection heat pump and control methods, as applied to E-Transit Custom, is attached.

 

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is it correct to say that an electric motor does not create enough heat like an ICE engine in normal operation to heat the van and therefore this heating and cooling system is necessary and efficient way to accomplish both ?

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4 hours ago, tarheels23 said:

is it correct to say that an electric motor does not create enough heat like an ICE engine in normal operation to heat the van and therefore this heating and cooling system is necessary and efficient way to accomplish both ?

 

You are correct tarheels23! Because electric motors are so efficient (95% or higher for the AC synchronous or induction motors used for propulsion in BEV, compared to 35% for a typical gasoline engine), there isn't much "waste" heat generated from them in a BEV's normal operation. That's why BEV are equipped with resistive heaters and/or heat pumps for their climate control systems. Heat pumps are much more efficient than resistive heaters, but resistive heaters start more quickly. Ford's patent involving vapor injection makes its heat pump design even more efficient, and also quicker to bring the van's cabin to the selected temperature.

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13 hours ago, rperez817 said:

 

You are correct tarheels23! Because electric motors are so efficient (95% or higher for the AC synchronous or induction motors used for propulsion in BEV, compared to 35% for a typical gasoline engine), there isn't much "waste" heat generated from them in a BEV's normal operation. That's why BEV are equipped with resistive heaters and/or heat pumps for their climate control systems. Heat pumps are much more efficient than resistive heaters, but resistive heaters start more quickly. Ford's patent involving vapor injection makes its heat pump design even more efficient, and also quicker to bring the van's cabin to the selected temperature.

Thanks for your reply, just another example that Ford has a real commitment to EV's and a cleaner future that is good for everyone even the deniers.

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Dealers are now pushing back on Ford’s rules

https://www.autonews.com/dealers/ford-dealers-push-back-ev-mandates
 

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Dealer associations in at least 13 states say Ford Motor Co. is unfairly burdening its retail network with costly requirements for electric vehicle sales and breaking some franchise laws.

Officials in Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina and other states have written to Ford calling for significant change to one of CEO Jim Farley's signature initiatives, which would require dealers to invest up to $1.2 million on chargers, staff training and new sales standards to overhaul the retail experience.

 

Dealers can choose to spend $500,000 instead but would be allowed to sell no more than 25 EVs a year. Some of the state associations contend that such a cap is illegal.

The program "fails to make all vehicle models available to dealers on comparable terms and fails to allocate equitable quantities of EVs to Ford franchised dealers relative to their assigned market areas," members of the Southern Automotive Trade Association Executives, which represents 12 state dealer associations, said in a resolution.

 

The group called on Ford to "work with state association executives and franchised dealers to create a program that complies with the state laws, promotes competition and furthers the goal of EV adoption in all parts of the country."

John Devlin, CEO of the Pennsylvania Automotive Association, said in a letter to Farley that the certification program "violates multiple provisions of Pennsylvania law."

Ford told Automotive News it's confident the plan is legal and that "overall feedback has been positive."

 

The issue I have with Ford’s requirements is that they are forcing dealers to sign up to this before proving that it can  make BEVs in the required volumes in the first place due to supply shortages. Why not get past that first before pressing this agreement?

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

Dealers are now pushing back on Ford’s rules

https://www.autonews.com/dealers/ford-dealers-push-back-ev-mandates
 

 

The issue I have with Ford’s requirements is that they are forcing dealers to sign up to this before proving that it can  make BEVs in the required volumes in the first place due to supply shortages. Why not get past that first before pressing this agreement?

 

 

 

 

 

There's a dealer here locally that has been in business for 48 years that is closing basically immediately because of the BEV requirements.  And it's not because they don't want to upgrade - they tried to get permits with the city to upgrade, but were told that the power needed for the required charging facilities could not be provided in the area, so they apparently made the decision to close completely.

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24 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

There's a dealer here locally that has been in business for 48 years that is closing basically immediately because of the BEV requirements.  And it's not because they don't want to upgrade - they tried to get permits with the city to upgrade, but were told that the power needed for the required charging facilities could not be provided in the area, so they apparently made the decision to close completely.

Wow

It’s looking like Ford again hasn’t thought this through, not realising the impediments that many dealers face with  upgrading.

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1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

There's a dealer here locally that has been in business for 48 years that is closing basically immediately because of the BEV requirements.  And it's not because they don't want to upgrade - they tried to get permits with the city to upgrade, but were told that the power needed for the required charging facilities could not be provided in the area, so they apparently made the decision to close completely.

 

Surprised that the city and local power utility can't accommodate this dealer.  Every dealer, no matter the manufacturer, will be selling EV's at some point and will need additional power.  So will all the dealers in your town shut down?  

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2 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Dealers are now pushing back on Ford’s rules

https://www.autonews.com/dealers/ford-dealers-push-back-ev-mandates

 

 

Thanks for sharing this jpd80, looks like Ford extended the deadline for dealerships to make a decision regarding their investment for selling and servicing BEV. The original deadline was October 31, 2022. New deadline is December 2, 2022. Ford Delays Deadline for Dealership EV Spending Requirements - TeslaNorth.com

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