rmc523 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/17/toyota-bz4x-us-debut/ https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/11/subaru-solterra-ev-reveal-toyota-bz4x/ The rebadge job is even worse than I thought - literally the only differences are a faux grille insert and fog lights up front, and no red across the whole back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 And CR will give them drastically different scores and reliability ratings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/17/toyota-bz4x-us-debut/ https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/11/subaru-solterra-ev-reveal-toyota-bz4x/ The rebadge job is even worse than I thought - literally the only differences are a faux grille insert and fog lights up front, and no red across the whole back. If this is indicative of Subaru's long term strategy with BEV, the company is headed for extinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Badge engineering at its worst. Me too styling with really bad looking grilles (or "not grilles" due to being EVs) as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 20 hours ago, rperez817 said: If this is indicative of Subaru's long term strategy with BEV, the company is headed for extinction. Subaru is for all intent and practical purpose a Toyota brand already. Toyota is the largest and controlling shareholder and basically makes all the product development decision. In JDM, Subaru primarily sells rebadged Daihatsu and very few actual Subaru vehicles. It will be like Hino and Daihatsu - slowly absorbed into the collective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/17/2021 at 5:27 PM, atomcat68 said: Badge engineering at its worst. Me too styling with really bad looking grilles (or "not grilles" due to being EVs) as well. They both look like the new Corolla Cross. Very generic. Looks like both Subaru and Mazda are merging with Toyota. A lot of redundancy there. Very easy to lose your identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, FordBuyer said: They both look like the new Corolla Cross. Very generic. Looks like both Subaru and Mazda are merging with Toyota. A lot of redundancy there. Very easy to lose your identity. Eh, Mazda has done a pretty good job at keeping its identity/style. Subaru has definitely fully jumped into the Toyota pool with these BEV twins and the GT86/FR-S/BRZ twins Edited November 20, 2021 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 17 hours ago, rmc523 said: Subaru has definitely fully jumped into the Toyota pool with these BEV twins and the GT86/FR-S/BRZ twins At least the 86/BRZ are Subaru designed and engineered through and through. By contrast, Solterra is a rebadged bZ4X that lacks "Subaru DNA". This does not bode well for Subaru's future. As FordBuyer said, Subaru buyers don't want rebadged Toyotas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 2 hours ago, rperez817 said: At least the 86/BRZ are Subaru designed and engineered through and through. By contrast, Solterra is a rebadged bZ4X that lacks "Subaru DNA". This does not bode well for Subaru's future. As FordBuyer said, Subaru buyers don't want rebadged Toyotas. Wrong again. It was jointly designed by Subaru and Toyota and inspired by the Toyota AE86. It has Toyota fuel injection and transmission and a lot of other parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Pricing and trim details for Toyota BZ4X announced today. Subaru hasn't yet provided pricing details for Solterra. The Future is Now: Toyota Launches All-New bZ4X SUV Battery-Electric Vehicle - Toyota USA Newsroom XLE FWD. $43,215 Limited FWD. $47,915 XLE AWD. $45,295 Limited AWD. $49,995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Toyota plan to sell a whopping 7,000 in 2022: Quote 7,000: The total number of bZ4Xs that Toyota plans to sell in the U.S. in calendar year 2022 — about the number of Toyota Sienna minivans it sells in the U.S. in any given month. Incidentally, it’s 500 more vehicles than Subaru is allocated with its Solterra EV. https://www.autonews.com/cars-concepts/its-best-consider-2023-toyota-bz4x-ev-numbers?utm_source=cars-concepts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220412&utm_content=article1-headline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (cough) Aztec (cough). ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, akirby said: (cough) Aztec (cough). ? Nah, this is way more fugly It makes the Aztec look like an E-Type Edited April 12, 2022 by fuzzymoomoo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Harley Lover said: Toyota plan to sell a whopping 7,000 in 2022: This is due in part to Toyota's staged U.S. market rollout in which BZ4X will only be sold in CARB ZEV states initially. The vehicle won't be available nationwide until the end of 2022. Overall, BZ4X's unremarkable specs, hideous styling, and low sales projections in the U.S. demonstrates that Toyota continues to drag its feet when it comes to being serious about BEV. 2023 Mustang Mach-E Select is a better product in every way for only slightly higher price than BZ4X XLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 11/20/2021 at 6:01 PM, rmc523 said: Eh, Mazda has done a pretty good job at keeping its identity/style. Subaru has definitely fully jumped into the Toyota pool with these BEV twins and the GT86/FR-S/BRZ twins Same problem though as we enter EV era. Neither Mazda nor Subaru have competitive hybrids and Hyundai/Kia especially are going to eat their lunch with $4 gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 3:02 PM, rperez817 said: This is due in part to Toyota's staged U.S. market rollout in which BZ4X will only be sold in CARB ZEV states initially. The vehicle won't be available nationwide until the end of 2022. Overall, BZ4X's unremarkable specs, hideous styling, and low sales projections in the U.S. demonstrates that Toyota continues to drag its feet when it comes to being serious about BEV. 2023 Mustang Mach-E Select is a better product in every way for only slightly higher price than BZ4X XLE. All that black cladding is really off putting. Way too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Lexus version of BZ4X announced today. MEET THE ALL-NEW LEXUS RZ, THE LUXURY BRAND’S FIRST BATTERY EV - Lexus USA Newsroom PLANO, Texas (April 20, 2022) — Lexus is proud to unveil details of the all-new 2023 RZ 450e, the luxury brand’s first global Battery EV (BEV). Since the launch of the RX400h in 2005, Lexus has been a pioneer of electrification within the luxury market. As with the first RX hybrid model, Lexus engineers have imbued the brand’s hybrid vehicles with an excellent driving identity and environmental performance. Under the ‘Lexus Electrified’ vision, Lexus aims to invigorate all guests’ authentic love for driving exhilaration, and in doing so, will broaden its Lexus Electrified portfolio of hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), battery electric vehicle (BEV) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) products to exceed the needs and expectations of a more diverse set of luxury buyers. The portfolio expansion will move Lexus toward another essential goal: The realization of a sustainable global society. Lexus will contribute to achieving a carbon-neutral society by offering a full lineup of BEVs in all categories by 2030. Five years later, Lexus seeks to attain 100% BEV sales globally. To meet these challenges, Lexus will rigorously improve its products, along with the expertise of its personnel, by repeating “drive and fix” development at Toyota Technical Center Shimoyama (TTCS), Lexus’ new operational base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 They are really putting zero effort into making these 3 models different from each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, atomcat68 said: They are really putting zero effort into making these 3 models different from each other. With the BZ4X triplets, Toyota, Subaru, and Lexus appear to be putting zero effort with BEV generally in the U.S. market. The BS statement in the RZ press release, "Lexus has been a pioneer of electrification within the luxury market", says it all. Edited April 21, 2022 by rperez817 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgb Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 4/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, akirby said: (cough) Aztec (cough). ? I was going to say next-gen Honda Element, but Aztec is better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 23 hours ago, atomcat68 said: They are really putting zero effort into making these 3 models different from each other. Oh come now, give them some credit. It takes a lot of work to manage to create an uglier vehicle than the last with each new model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Subaru Solterra pricing announced today. Unlike BZ4X, AWD is a standard feature on Solterra. Subaru U.S. Media Center 2023 Subaru Solterra Model/Trim Transmission Applicable Option MSRP MSRP plus Destination and Delivery ($1,225) Solterra Premium CVT 11 $44,995 $46,220 Solterra Limited CVT 31 $48,495 $49,720 Solterra Touring CVT 41 $51,995 $53,220 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 10:18 PM, rperez817 said: With the BZ4X triplets, Toyota, Subaru, and Lexus appear to be putting zero effort with BEV generally in the U.S. market. The BS statement in the RZ press release, "Lexus has been a pioneer of electrification within the luxury market", says it all. In Toyotas defense, ALL car companies play fast and loose with that term-they include hybrids with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 As Electrek says, Toyota is having a hard time "(literally) keeping the wheels on their first electric car effort." Toyota's bZ4X recall isn't going great – company offers car buyback - Electrek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 This is exactly how a car company should take care of their customer. I'll give Toyota props for putting the customer first and going above and beyond. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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