T-dubz Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE A DMCA take down notice was filed against this topic and seven images were removed - edited @ 10.35 AM 14 January 2022. "The images on this forum page: Are being used without the permission or authorization of Motor1 (.com). Please remove them from your website immediately. Regards, Seyth Miersma Editor in Chief E seyth.miersma@motor1 (.com) www.motor1.com 5972.NE 4th.Avenue | Miami | FL 33137" END NOTICE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Removed 2. Removed 3. Removed 4. Removed 5. Removed 6. Removed 7. Removed Ranger6g.com Has some pics of a different truck. It has some bed rails and the thing behind the cab like the ROW wildtrak ranger has. Edited January 14, 2022 by robertlane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Really liking how this looks. Has a nice stance to it. Does anyone know if those are 33’s or 35’s? They look like 33’s to me but it’s hard to tell. Those tailpipes tucked in the bumper are pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Really liking how this looks. Has a nice stance to it. Does anyone know if those are 33’s or 35’s? They look like 33’s to me but it’s hard to tell. Those tailpipes tucked in the bumper are pretty cool. Raptor has 33” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Is the Bronco Raptor that much wider than the Ranger Raptor? Looks like an extra foot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Is the Bronco Raptor that much wider than the Ranger Raptor? Looks like an extra foot... I saw one on the road not too long ago and it's WIIIIIIDE. It took up the whole lane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I saw one on the road not too long ago and it's WIIIIIIDE. It took up the whole lane. Good luck in parking spaces lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Is the Bronco Raptor that much wider than the Ranger Raptor? Looks like an extra foot... Ranger Raptor is roughly as wise as an F150, the Bronco Raptor is wider again….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Hard to see in the above photos but there are recent photos on other sites (ranger6G for one) that clearly show it has retained the Watts link rear suspension from the current ROW Ranger Raptor. That is a good thing IMO. Better than the Panhard bar for this application although that is used on the Bronco. With the Panhard bar having it's upper pivot point attached to one side of the frame and the lower pivot point attached to the axle on the opposite side, the axle shifts slightly side-to-side as it travels up and down. The Watts link eliminates that since there are a total of five pivot points, one on each frame rail and three at the center of the axle. Which brings up another interesting fact which is that the Ranger Raptor uses a rear axle with a removable center section, similar to the old 9" Ford. That adds more strength at the center pivot of the Watts link since it is attached to a more solid point than if the axle had a removable cover plate on the back side which I believe is what the Bronco and the current NA Ranger use. Based on the second photo from ranger6G it does not appear as though they switched to a Watts link on the Bronco Raptor as it looks to still have a removable rear cover on the axle. As was explained on the ranger6G forum, the Panhard bar design does allow for more articulation so that might be a good reason to retain it on the Bronco. Another interesting side point is that those would need to be some interesting tailpipes for them to snake through all that. I'm betting the exhaust splits after the axle which is how it was done on my '89 Thunderbird SC. On the current ROW Ranger Raptor the exhaust dumps under the bed and before the rear axle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I saw one on the road not too long ago and it's WIIIIIIDE. It took up the whole lane. Should have incredible road presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 8 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Should have incredible road presence. oh it did, even with all the camo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 7:33 PM, jpd80 said: Raptor has 33” Are you talking about the full-size Raptor is the Ranger Raptor? The full-size Raptor has 315s, which are 34.4”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, tbone said: Are you talking about the full-size Raptor is the Ranger Raptor? The full-size Raptor has 315s, which are 34.4”. Sorry, Ranger Raptor has 33” Edited January 14, 2022 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 38 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Sorry, Ranger Raptor has 33” With the full-size raptor bow coming with optional 37s, it would be cool to see ford offer the ranger raptor with 35s. Maybe as an option for this ranger raptor r that's apparently being considered. A ranger with 35s and a v8 would be pretty sick, especially for a truck in the midsized segment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JX1 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) Finally some clear shots, as it has been hinted that THIS would understandably go up in price, to distance itself from P703N Raptor below it. The basic 800A package had to be consolidated into the mid-grade 801A for 2021, to increase the price from $56,440 to $64,145. Doing that means this can comfortably start around $40-45k, if offered in 3 packages as 400A/401A/402A. Possibly even undercut the overpriced Tacoma TRD Pro with 400A with non-leather sport seats and less tech. Toyota's new TRD Pro won't be available until sometime in 2024 at earliest. Edited January 14, 2022 by JX1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JX1 said: Finally some clear shots, as it has been hinted that THIS would understandably go up in price, to distance itself from P703N Raptor below it. The basic 800A package had to be consolidated into the mid-grade 801A for 2021, to increase the price from $56,440 to $64,145. Doing that means this can comfortably start around $40-45k, if offered in 3 packages as 400A/401A/402A. Possibly even undercut the overpriced Tacoma TRD Pro with 400A with non-leather sport seats and less tech. Toyota's new TRD Pro won't be available until sometime in 2024 at earliest. It was a substantial increase from Gen2 to Gen3, so they have plenty of room for the Ranger version. The disappointing aspect of that price increase is they hardly touched the motor, with many expecting the HP to be over 500 as the base model. I’m suspecting a Tremor Ranger will be expected to compete at the TRD Pro price point and keep the Raptor version above the TRD, unless the Pro model is expected to have a performance engine in addition to suspension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 8 hours ago, tbone said: I’m suspecting a Tremor Ranger will be expected to compete at the TRD Pro price point and keep the Raptor version above the TRD, unless the Pro model is expected to have a performance engine in addition to suspension. Ranger XLT FX4 - $38,130 XLT Tremor - $42,795 Lariat Tremor - $47,170 Tacoma TRD Off Road - $39,410 TRD Pro - $49,855 Colorado ZR2 $45,740 I agreed with you until I looked at the prices of each model. There’s a big gap in price between the xlt tremor and the pro. The Lariat Tremor comes a bit closer, and honestly I haven’t compared specs to see which one the Pro is more similar too. I was guessing the raptor would start around $50k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JX1 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, tbone said: It was a substantial increase from Gen2 to Gen3, so they have plenty of room for the Ranger version. The disappointing aspect of that price increase is they hardly touched the motor, with many expecting the HP to be over 500 as the base model. I’m suspecting a Tremor Ranger will be expected to compete at the TRD Pro price point and keep the Raptor version above the TRD, unless the Pro model is expected to have a performance engine in addition to suspension. Yes, which is what I noted. What I failed to elaborate more on, was criticisms and complaints about the price of the 2021 F-150 Raptor going up. I knew immediately WHY Ford did that, but the average complainer didn't in lacking insight. I also didn't expect any power increase for 2021, because Raptor R might not be as lofty as some think it will be and might be more attainable. Ford is probably done with massaging that 3.5 HO engine, with the onslaught of BEV development. A bombshell I also drop today from my Ford contact, is the "P800" replaces the P702 Ford F-150 Lightning come 2025. That's the chassis code for the truck on TE1, which I haven't seen anywhere publicly. P736 is the next F-150 (2026), which I was first shown back in October. He never went public on that I guess. The Ranger Raptor needs to be around $45k in base form and top out around $60k, to hit the mark. The outgoing 800A Raptor was $53k, so a Ranger costing as much as it in base seems like a lose-lose. Toyota are probably developing a hybridized 2.4L turbo I4 application for the next TRD Pro and upper trim level 2024 Tacomas. A detuned 3.4TT V6 putting out roughly 348 hp, might also be possibility. Neither will match the 3.0L TT in the Ranger Raptor. Ford has a chance dominate with the P703 and P703N, via hybrid and V6 power. Edited January 15, 2022 by JX1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, JX1 said: I have to say that is one of Toyota’s better truck designs as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 9 hours ago, tbone said: I have to say that is one of Toyota’s better truck designs as of late. That looks good, no shame in saying that. Now the new Tundra, I can't say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said: That looks good, no shame in saying that. Now the new Tundra, I can't say that. This front fascia is much more reasonable than typical Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/14/2022 at 12:59 PM, T-dubz said: Ranger XLT FX4 - $38,130 XLT Tremor - $42,795 Lariat Tremor - $47,170 Tacoma TRD Off Road - $39,410 TRD Pro - $49,855 Colorado ZR2 $45,740 I agreed with you until I looked at the prices of each model. There’s a big gap in price between the xlt tremor and the pro. The Lariat Tremor comes a bit closer, and honestly I haven’t compared specs to see which one the Pro is more similar too. I was guessing the raptor would start around $50k. TRD Pro is pretty much fully loaded so comparable to Lariat Tremor. The issue here is Tremor (and FX4) are packages that can be added to different Ranger trim levels. Whereas TRD Pro offers both hardware upgrade AND more equipment. This is a rough comparison of Tacoma vs. Ranger trim levels SR <--> XL / STX SR5 <--> XLT 300A TRD Sport <--> XLT 301A with FX2 or FX4 TRD Off Road <--> XLT 301A with Tremor Limited <--> Lariat TRD Pro <--> Lariat with Tremor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, bzcat said: TRD Pro is pretty much fully loaded so comparable to Lariat Tremor. The issue here is Tremor (and FX4) are packages that can be added to different Ranger trim levels. Whereas TRD Pro offers both hardware upgrade AND more equipment. This is a rough comparison of Tacoma vs. Ranger trim levels SR <--> XL / STX SR5 <--> XLT 300A TRD Sport <--> XLT 301A with FX2 or FX4 TRD Off Road <--> XLT 301A with Tremor Limited <--> Lariat TRD Pro <--> Lariat with Tremor And any potential future Raptor will be one trim above Lariat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I wonder if there will be an Everglades package for the Ranger as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 Since there are 2 versions of the f150 raptor, I wonder if there will be 2 versions of the ranger raptor? This would help them meet different price points. Maybe the upgraded version has 35’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DillyDally Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Youre asking too much from them. I think if they release one more new model, theyll have to shut down production for a year to gather supplies 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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