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6 hours ago, Monoman said:

I'm in the exact same situation (different dealer). Ordered a platinum Dec 1, 2021. With all the pricing changes with 22 itself and now with 23s, no idea if my 23 order will be close to the same price even with the PCO. Should be converted Mon or Tues. The new platinum has things I don't really need or want and assume will drive up the cost and drive down the adjustment. I guess I'll keep waiting, but also expecting 18+ plus months minimum.

 

6 hours ago, Monoman said:

Ford has done nothing so far. No email saying they can't fulfill my 2022 order, no PCO while waiting for a year, no PCO to help cover the $10K price increase, nothing.  I have been fortunate enough to be working with one of the more competent dealers (Granger). Unfortunately, Ford (and other auto manufacturers) seem to be incapable or unwilling to fulfill COVP orders on a first come, first served basis like they indicated they would. I understand there are a lot of variables but when you some people with similar order specs getting trucks in a few months and others waiting over a year then you have to question what is actually happening.  Ford (and other manufacturers) should institute better communications instead of relying on their dealerships. Too many dealerships are lazy or incompetent which is putting it nicely in some cases. 

I have a Platinum on order which Ford won't start building until Job 2 sometime in Spring. It is likely it will be 18 months by the time I get the truck.

 

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8 hours ago, akirby said:

Ford never said they would build COVP orders first come.  They simply guaranteed incremental allocations.  That’s the downside of going with Grainger - so many other orders ahead of you.
 

You don’t get the PCO until you put in the 2023 order and it’s verified.

 

Yes I misspoke about Ford filling orders on a "First come, first served" basis.  The only knowledge we seem to have about Ford's order selection process is that it depends on parts availability (makes perfect sense) and a range of priority levels managed by Ford and each respective dealership. 

 

My 2023 order has been placed by Granger and i have received the confirmation email from Ford.

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2 hours ago, Monoman said:

 

Yes I misspoke about Ford filling orders on a "First come, first served" basis.  The only knowledge we seem to have about Ford's order selection process is that it depends on parts availability (makes perfect sense) and a range of priority levels managed by Ford and each respective dealership. 

 

My 2023 order has been placed by Granger and i have received the confirmation email from Ford.

I think what he’s getting at is the Ford guidance about sequencing COVP orders is focused on prioritizing them over dealer stock when parts are available to build your truck. You’ll always be at the mercy of your dealer, the zone manager, commodity constraints, and production scheduling. In any event, Granger is a straight shooter dealership. They’ll work in good faith to get you built. 

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On 11/12/2022 at 8:03 AM, scubaB said:

My truck finally showed up,at the dealer yesterday!  Waiting to see if I can pick it up today… still needs B&W hitch put in and window tinting but I’ll get those in a few weeks… I just want my truck!  I haven’t seen it personally but my sales guy sent the attached pic.
 

ordered 2/4

Original build date 10/3 bumped to 10/11

Shipped 10/13

Arrived in Houston 10/23, 75 miles from me

Original delivery 10/27-11/2

Re-scheduled delivery 3x and new shipper dispatched

Delivery 11/11

 

 

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Man you got an awesome shipping experience! My truck has been released since 8/25 and my date was nov 8-14. Unless it magically appears today I’m expecting to get a pushed email the next couple days. It says it’s still sitting at KTP. Part of me wonders if my tracker is messed up which I have heard has happened. Just hoping I get it before Christmas at this point! Beautiful truck though, love the long bed!!!

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11 hours ago, le engineer said:

I think what he’s getting at is the Ford guidance about sequencing COVP orders is focused on prioritizing them over dealer stock when parts are available to build your truck. You’ll always be at the mercy of your dealer, the zone manager, commodity constraints, and production scheduling. In any event, Granger is a straight shooter dealership. They’ll work in good faith to get you built. 

 

That and once Ford picks up your order for scheduling we really don't know the full selection process.  Even if all things are equal and the resources are available we still don't know exactly why orders are selected to be built.   Let's say there are 1,000 Super Duty orders sitting at Priority 02 and Ford needs to select 500 for their next batch.  I suspect Ford groups them together based on some other factor that is unknown to us.  It could be trim line, it could be geographic reason for transportation reasons, it could be exterior colors, engines, etc etc.  Even if they have everything they need there may be processing decisions that come into play for reasons unknown to us.   One would think that order date is a big factor but that may not be the case.   It is a bit annoying to see some dealers getting fleet/stock orders (blue window stickers) that are close matches to my order.  I would consider buying one but they dealers in my area want at least $5K over MSRP.

I'm fine with Granger. I'm just a bit disappointed with Ford because that the order I placed last December for a Platinum F-250 with an estimate of 4-6 months wasn't built and it may be over 18 months before I actually get a truck.  I chose to go with Ford for this truck purchase for a variety of reasons and I will remain patient for now.

 

tldr; it's complicated.   :-)

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You can thank Granger and the other lowballers for causing Ford to go back to their normal allocation formulas.  
 

In a normal world Ford builds 8k SDs per week and only 10%-20% are retail orders, so the priority system schedules them first with the dealers normal allocation.  COVP attempted to solve the problem of a dealer having little or no allocation to fill retail orders by giving incremental allocation.

 

But when you have ongoing supply chain issues affecting every part on the truck and you have more retail orders than can be built each week and you’re trying to treat dealers fairly and keep them in business AND you’re at the mercy of your dealer’s order queue management it gets really complicated.

 

Consider that each week Ford can only build 200 trucks with a certain part but there are 2000 orders.  Only the first 200 get selected.  Next week it’s a different part.  Maybe the week they have all the parts for your truck there are 3 ahead of you in your dealer’s queue.

 

If you think about the number of parts in these trucks and the number of trucks being built and the number of dealers it’s amazing they can build and deliver anything.

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On 11/9/2022 at 5:03 PM, Lima said:

What the hell is going on with shipping! My Lariat was released on 9 21 ! It was supposed to ship 10/20-10/26! Now I’m been pushed to 11/14-11/20! Called my dealership and said did y’all see the latest email on shipping? Yeah we did! I said AND!  Oh I got an email from dealer saying I’m being rude ! Tuff shit!!They’re about as useless as tits on a boar hog!! This is freaking ass disgusting!

Hah, if you believe even those dates, you're on a better path than some of us :(.

 

My Platinum F350 has a sticker date 8/18, released to prod 8/28, "built" 9/30 where it has sat for a month and a half, so far. Latest email 10/18 changed the est delivery date from 10/15-21 to 12/12-18. They really have no real clue.

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Adding my F250 Platinum ordering experience…so far.

 

Order placed on March 21st

In production November 2nd
Built on November 3rd

Shipped notice on November 9th with a delivery window of November 16th to 22nd 

Dealer called today (14th) to say the truck is in the DFW area now (I’m in Dallas) and should be on the lot today or tomorrow. 
 

Not holding my breath but hopeful the last part is accurate(ish). Sadly, I’m leaving town tomorrow so it will not be until after Thanksgiving until I can pick it up.  

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1 hour ago, Volintejas said:

Adding my F250 Platinum ordering experience…so far.

 

Order placed on March 21st

In production November 2nd
Built on November 3rd

Shipped notice on November 9th with a delivery window of November 16th to 22nd 

Dealer called today (14th) to say the truck is in the DFW area now (I’m in Dallas) and should be on the lot today or tomorrow. 
 

Not holding my breath but hopeful the last part is accurate(ish). Sadly, I’m leaving town tomorrow so it will not be until after Thanksgiving until I can pick it up.  

 

1 hour ago, Volintejas said:

Adding my F250 Platinum ordering experience…so far.

 

Order placed on March 21st

In production November 2nd
Built on November 3rd

Shipped notice on November 9th with a delivery window of November 16th to 22nd 

Dealer called today (14th) to say the truck is in the DFW area now (I’m in Dallas) and should be on the lot today or tomorrow. 
 

Not holding my breath but hopeful the last part is accurate(ish). Sadly, I’m leaving town tomorrow so it will not be until after Thanksgiving until I can pick it up.  

What dealership in the DFW area did you buy from?

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6 hours ago, akirby said:

You can thank Granger and the other lowballers for causing Ford to go back to their normal allocation formulas.  
 

In a normal world Ford builds 8k SDs per week and only 10%-20% are retail orders, so the priority system schedules them first with the dealers normal allocation.  COVP attempted to solve the problem of a dealer having little or no allocation to fill retail orders by giving incremental allocation.

 

But when you have ongoing supply chain issues affecting every part on the truck and you have more retail orders than can be built each week and you’re trying to treat dealers fairly and keep them in business AND you’re at the mercy of your dealer’s order queue management it gets really complicated.

 

Consider that each week Ford can only build 200 trucks with a certain part but there are 2000 orders.  Only the first 200 get selected.  Next week it’s a different part.  Maybe the week they have all the parts for your truck there are 3 ahead of you in your dealer’s queue.

 

If you think about the number of parts in these trucks and the number of trucks being built and the number of dealers it’s amazing they can build and deliver anything.

 

As always, I thank you for your reply.  I do however disagree that Granger and the other lowballers are causing Ford to go back to their normal allocation formulas.   The number of lowballers is not very high.  However, there are plenty of dealerships mismanaging their queues, adding markup over MSRP,  not honoring price lock, etc.  From all accounts I have read it sounds like dealerships are doing better than ever but Ford is losing out because they can't build enough vehicles to meet demand.  Customers are losing out because Ford can't meet demand and prices just keep going up.  Yeah I know it is all about supply & demand, and the free market ... but it isn't really?   There's a dealership model and if Ford is "trying to treat dealers fairly and keep them in business" then it really isn't a free market for the consumers.

 

I do not pretend to have all of the answers, but I have no problem asking questions and pointing out things I do not think are working well.  

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53 minutes ago, TenTex said:

No sir, but have heard good things about them,  They seem to on top of the game..!!

So far, I agree.  
 

I have a X Plan pin and a PCO from Ford (and ordered it as such) but I’m hoping I don’t get the dealer two step when I go to write the check. 
 

I’ll report back post deal and let this group know

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41 minutes ago, Volintejas said:

So far, I agree.  
 

I have a X Plan pin and a PCO from Ford (and ordered it as such) but I’m hoping I don’t get the dealer two step when I go to write the check. 
 

I’ll report back post deal and let this group know

I’m using Z plan

KRU/LB/6.7

Ordered 1/8/22

In production 10/12/22

Built 10/15

Still waiting on shipment 

Small dealership east of Dallas

 

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2 hours ago, Monoman said:

 

As always, I thank you for your reply.  I do however disagree that Granger and the other lowballers are causing Ford to go back to their normal allocation formulas.   The number of lowballers is not very high.  However, there are plenty of dealerships mismanaging their queues, adding markup over MSRP,  not honoring price lock, etc.  From all accounts I have read it sounds like dealerships are doing better than ever but Ford is losing out because they can't build enough vehicles to meet demand.  Customers are losing out because Ford can't meet demand and prices just keep going up.  Yeah I know it is all about supply & demand, and the free market ... but it isn't really?   There's a dealership model and if Ford is "trying to treat dealers fairly and keep them in business" then it really isn't a free market for the consumers.

 

I do not pretend to have all of the answers, but I have no problem asking questions and pointing out things I do not think are working well.  


It’s a problem if you’re a dealer with 50 allocations and Granger has 500.  Dealers want their fair share of allocations.  And nobody ever said it was best for consumers, but Ford needs dealers for delivery, parts and warranty service.

 

Consider what would happen if Granger was given all that extra allocation and a few other dealers followed suit.  That wouldn’t leave much allocation for smaller dealers.

 

Is it really better for consumers to allow Granger to take 500 orders if only 200 can be built?

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35 minutes ago, akirby said:


It’s a problem if you’re a dealer with 50 allocations and Granger has 500.  Dealers want their fair share of allocations.  And nobody ever said it was best for consumers, but Ford needs dealers for delivery, parts and warranty service.

 

Consider what would happen if Granger was given all that extra allocation and a few other dealers followed suit.  That wouldn’t leave much allocation for smaller dealers.

 

Is it really better for consumers to allow Granger to take 500 orders if only 200 can be built?

 

I don't disagree but dealerships wind up with more allocations because they are selling more. Hasn't that always been the case? Dealers are just annoyed now because some consumers are finding other options.  Honestly, I don't think dealers in my area are losing many sales to Granger, Chapman, and others. 

 

 Factory pricing would be level much of the playing field. Dealers could then focus on competing by adding value. 

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2 hours ago, akirby said:


It’s a problem if you’re a dealer with 50 allocations and Granger has 500.  Dealers want their fair share of allocations. 

Are you for capitalism or socialism?

 

If Granger can sell 500, then let them sell 500.  Support the successful dealers, let let the ones doing bonus markups and not selling qty fail.  Yes it sucks, but Ford should not be propping up the dealers who are incapable of selling.

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19 hours ago, Alex Kreh said:

Man you got an awesome shipping experience! My truck has been released since 8/25 and my date was nov 8-14. Unless it magically appears today I’m expecting to get a pushed email the next couple days. It says it’s still sitting at KTP. Part of me wonders if my tracker is messed up which I have heard has happened. Just hoping I get it before Christmas at this point! Beautiful truck though, love the long bed!!!

@Alex Kreh good luck to you!! I felt a bit guilty posting my good fortune when I know so many of you are still waiting… but if you’re like me you love looking at pics and having hope… hang in there… at least it’s built and hope you’ll get a pre-Thanksgiving delivery!

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7 hours ago, road turtle said:

Are you for capitalism or socialism?

 

If Granger can sell 500, then let them sell 500.  Support the successful dealers, let let the ones doing bonus markups and not selling qty fail.  Yes it sucks, but Ford should not be propping up the dealers who are incapable of selling.

 

It is neither and both at the same time. :-)  Call it corporate socialism maybe? Manufacturers historically needed dealerships to handle sales, delivery, service/warranty, etc. for an area.  Some areas overlapped if people were willing to shop around but it really wasn't too much of a problem.  

 

This changed during the pandemic with dealers like Granger and Chapman offering below invoice pricing while most others are charging MSRP or more.  Low, not haggle pricing from a seemingly competent dealer was a big enough difference for some people to travel hundreds (even thousands) of miles. 

How many dealers are between me and Granger?  I don't know and I don't care.  I had spent too many hours over too many days working with local dealers. It was frustrating to dealing with incompetent sales people and many were charging thousands over MSRP just to take my order.  I found out about Granger and less than a day after contacting them I had a signed order far cheaper than any local dealers and a confirmation email from Ford.  How many sales are being lost to dealers like Granger in my area? It can't be many.

 

The car business is changing and companies like Ford are trying to figure out how to adapt.   Many dealerships seem to be fighting it.  I think dealerships make a lot of money and they are feeling threatened.  Some have huge investments in large properties and don't see how they can change.  In my opinion, they would do just fine with factory pricing on new vehicles if the factories can deliver orders fast enough.  Dealerships can make plenty of money on service, warranty, parts, accessories and used vehicle sales..

 

 

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I built my truck and sent it to 5 local dealers (within 40 miles) before ordering from Granger. I only live 100 miles from Granger so I shop that area anyway. All 5 dealers said MSRP on ordering, and wouldn't take X Plan. Now if one of them would have said they wanted MSRP AND would honor X Plan, I would have ordered from one of them.To be fair, maybe they had enough interest at MSRP they were good on orders. I run a small business so I know about being competitive. You can quote a tad higher than the competition AND if you show value, still close the deal. There is a lost art of dealing WITH people, being honest, upfront, and genuine.

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11 hours ago, Monoman said:

 

I don't disagree but dealerships wind up with more allocations because they are selling more. Hasn't that always been the case? Dealers are just annoyed now because some consumers are finding other options. 

 

Traditional allocations don’t work that way.  The more you sell the more you’re allocated but it’s self limiting.  Obviously it can go up over time but not big jumps and not that quickly.

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