2022 Super Duty Orders & Discussion

[akirby]

10 hours ago, road turtle said:

Are you for capitalism or socialism?

 

If Granger can sell 500, then let them sell 500.  Support the successful dealers, let let the ones doing bonus markups and not selling qty fail.  Yes it sucks, but Ford should not be propping up the dealers who are incapable of selling.

It’s not that simple.  It’s a business problem not socialism.

 

If every dealer gets allocation and one decides to sell below invoice then no issues.

 

But if you start giving extra allocation to lowballers then you’re taking allocation away from the other dealers and pretty soon only the lowballers get allocation and other dealers get nothing in the most extreme case and nobody is making any money and customers who want to buy from their local dealer can’t.

 

Ford has to juggle keeping dealers and customers happy because they need both.  It’s a complicated situation.  Incremental allocation was created to help smaller dealers with lots of orders get theirs built faster.  I’m sure they didn’t envision the lowballers taking advantage of it.

 

As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.

[F450]

Order track keeps changing time in status 

restarting my wait time while in transit 

what does that mean ?

 

[scubaB]

18 hours ago, Alex Kreh said:

Man you got an awesome shipping experience! My truck has been released since 8/25 and my date was nov 8-14. Unless it magically appears today I’m expecting to get a pushed email the next couple days. It says it’s still sitting at KTP. Part of me wonders if my tracker is messed up which I have heard has happened. Just hoping I get it before Christmas at this point! Beautiful truck though, love the long bed!!!

@Alex Kreh good luck to you!! I felt a bit guilty posting my good fortune when I know so many of you are still waiting… but if you’re like me you love looking at pics and having hope… hang in there… at least it’s built and you know you’ll get it!!! 
 

I just got to pick it up today! I’m really excited-my 250 short bed has been great and pulled my fifth wheel perfect-especially with bags and an extra 51 gallon aux tank. I’m looking forward to upgrading the RV in a while though and the extra fuel will also be nice to have!

 

good luck again and hopefully you get a pre-Thanksgiving delivery!!!

[Monoman]

2 hours ago, akirby said:

 

As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.

Not true in my case.  I prefer to shop local and small if the price is fair. I tried to work with my local dealers to meet in the middle somewhere.  They would not budge which was well within their right. They shouldn't complain to Ford but they probably are. 

 

[Flying68]

5 hours ago, akirby said:

It’s not that simple.  It’s a business problem not socialism.

If every dealer gets allocation and one decides to sell below invoice then no issues.

But if you start giving extra allocation to lowballers then you’re taking allocation away from the other dealers and pretty soon only the lowballers get allocation and other dealers get nothing in the most extreme case and nobody is making any money and customers who want to buy from their local dealer can’t.

Ford has to juggle keeping dealers and customers happy because they need both.  It’s a complicated situation.  Incremental allocation was created to help smaller dealers with lots of orders get theirs built faster.  I’m sure they didn’t envision the lowballers taking advantage of it.

As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.

 

2 hours ago, Monoman said:

Not true in my case.  I prefer to shop local and small if the price is fair. I tried to work with my local dealers to meet in the middle somewhere.  They would not budge which was well within their right. They shouldn't complain to Ford but they probably are. 

 

The internet changed things in favor of consumers.  Dealers who don't compete on price and service should rightfully die.  If a small dealer in a small market wants to survive they don't necessarily have to be the lowest price, but they need to be priced where it isn't cheaper to go elsewhere, i.e. don't make it cheaper for your customer to fly somewhere to buy than to buy from you.  In the old days, dealers could charge whatever they wanted because it was harder for the consumer to get pricing and inventory data, now not so much.  I firmly believe orders should be 1st come, 1st serve no matter who you ordered from.  In some ways this may sting big dealers (with large overhead costs) harder than little ones.

[le engineer]

6 hours ago, akirby said:

It’s not that simple.  It’s a business problem not socialism.

 

If every dealer gets allocation and one decides to sell below invoice then no issues.

 

But if you start giving extra allocation to lowballers then you’re taking allocation away from the other dealers and pretty soon only the lowballers get allocation and other dealers get nothing in the most extreme case and nobody is making any money and customers who want to buy from their local dealer can’t.

 

Ford has to juggle keeping dealers and customers happy because they need both.  It’s a complicated situation.  Incremental allocation was created to help smaller dealers with lots of orders get theirs built faster.  I’m sure they didn’t envision the lowballers taking advantage of it.

 

As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.

Balancing is fine. We can attack that from another angle. Dealers selling over MSRP get allocations cut. Encourage competitive pricing and you won’t have consumers traveling out of market to save money. 

[akirby]

3 hours ago, le engineer said:

Balancing is fine. We can attack that from another angle. Dealers selling over MSRP get allocations cut. Encourage competitive pricing and you won’t have consumers traveling out of market to save money. 

Ford would like to do that but it’s illegal.

[akirby]

7 hours ago, Monoman said:

Not true in my case.  I prefer to shop local and small if the price is fair. I tried to work with my local dealers to meet in the middle somewhere.  They would not budge which was well within their right. They shouldn't complain to Ford but they probably are. 

Again, with normal allocations that’s not a problem. Shop wherever you get the best deal.  But you run the risk of the dealer not having enough allocation to fill your order.

 

if you want orders built first in first out regardless of dealer there has to be some way to prevent one dealer from monopolizing orders.  Maybe Ford restricts online orders to all or part of a dealer’s allocation and once that’s reached you have to choose a different dealer.  That still allows free market pricing and allows smaller dealers to get all retail orders scheduled while still giving allocation to all dealers and preventing one dealer from monopolizing orders.

[kfford]

8 hours ago, F450 said:

Order track keeps changing time in status 

restarting my wait time while in transit 

what does that mean ?

 

Mine too. Just changed yesterday and started out at 0 days.   ??

[Alex Kreh]

8 hours ago, scubaB said:

@Alex Kreh good luck to you!! I felt a bit guilty posting my good fortune when I know so many of you are still waiting… but if you’re like me you love looking at pics and having hope… hang in there… at least it’s built and you know you’ll get it!!! 
 

I just got to pick it up today! I’m really excited-my 250 short bed has been great and pulled my fifth wheel perfect-especially with bags and an extra 51 gallon aux tank. I’m looking forward to upgrading the RV in a while though and the extra fuel will also be nice to have!

 

good luck again and hopefully you get a pre-Thanksgiving delivery!!!

That’s awesome! Unfortunately just got my new dates of dec 9-15. Although Tim not really buying any dates at this point. Just figure it will appear at the dealership one of these days. Extremely confused why I haven’t gotten on a train as it’s been 2 months. Part of me is hoping the tracker is messed up. I know it’ll be worth the wait. Just gonna keep hoping. 
post some pics if you haven’t already for sure!! Think you posted one in your first post but honestly can’t remember lol. Thank you for the good luck! 

[King ranch 62]

1 hour ago, Alex Kreh said:

That’s awesome! Unfortunately just got my new dates of dec 9-15. Although Tim not really buying any dates at this point. Just figure it will appear at the dealership one of these days. Extremely confused why I haven’t gotten on a train as it’s been 2 months. Part of me is hoping the tracker is messed up. I know it’ll be worth the wait. Just gonna keep hoping. 
post some pics if you haven’t already for sure!! Think you posted one in your first post but honestly can’t remember lol. Thank you for the good luck! 

My truck was delivered by train to Richmond two weeks ago with a delivery date between 11/10 and 11/16 but just received an email now delivery bumped to 12/10 to 12/18 now it’s just waiting for a truck ride to the dealer. It’s ridiculous to have your truck that close and they can’t get their $hit together enough to deliver my truck. A month and a half to move a truck 150 miles.??‍♂️

[Sonny_d]

10 hours ago, Alex Kreh said:

That’s awesome! Unfortunately just got my new dates of dec 9-15. Although Tim not really buying any dates at this point. Just figure it will appear at the dealership one of these days. Extremely confused why I haven’t gotten on a train as it’s been 2 months. Part of me is hoping the tracker is messed up. I know it’ll be worth the wait. Just gonna keep hoping. 
post some pics if you haven’t already for sure!! Think you posted one in your first post but honestly can’t remember lol. Thank you for the good luck! 

Your situation sounds nearly identical to mine. My truck has been built and released for shipment as of 8 September. There are no holds on it according to the VVR. It’s still sitting in a parking lot. 
 

i ordered my truck a year ago so I get your frustration. 
 

 

[Alex Kreh]

10 hours ago, King ranch 62 said:

My truck was delivered by train to Richmond two weeks ago with a delivery date between 11/10 and 11/16 but just received an email now delivery bumped to 12/10 to 12/18 now it’s just waiting for a truck ride to the dealer. It’s ridiculous to have your truck that close and they can’t get their $hit together enough to deliver my truck. A month and a half to move a truck 150 miles.??‍♂️

Oh yeah totally get the frustration. Especially when I haven’t even see it budge and Ford is no longer disclosing hold information I believe so idk if my truck is on hold or what. It’s listed as released but who knows. I didn’t have anhtbjng crazy and it was already sent offsite once. How come it could be sent offsite so quickly but it can’t be sent o me. Ordered in February and paying 85k It’s just extremely frustrating. I know a lot of people might be like yeha well that’s just how it is with supply chain and whatnot But man if my truck has been sitting at KTP for almost 2 months I feel like we gotta explore something else. I offered to pay to drop ship it to a dealer next to the plant but you have to make that decision before your truck gets built. ??‍♂️ I’m a diehard Ford man but this is killing me. I had to drop 1500$ on my trade in for a repair, but when I ordered in February I wasn’t worried cause I imagined I would have my truck by now. And now I’ll probably be sold a 2022 in 2023 without any “year old” discount. 

[F450]

Yep ford needs to get trucks to Custermer s if they are built at least 

in same boat

enough with excuses 

[F450]

Yep ford needs to get trucks to Custermer s if they are built at least 

in same boat

enough with excuses 

[art_vandelay]

My wait is over!!  I ordered a platinum F250 with a 6.7 on 2/6/22. No fifth wheel, bedliner, adapt steering, or anything it needed to go off site to have installed. I got an email confirming the order the same day. I got an email 9/1/22 scheduling it for production the week of 10/31. I got the built email 10/28 and it arrived at my dealer 4 hours from the factory on 11/1. 
 

The truck came with everything it was supposed to come with (badges, Wi-Fi, massage seats, etc.) except the advanced security pack-for which they gave me a $50 credit. The dealer honored the original X-plan order price with no issues and was fair with my trade. 
 

Good luck to everyone still waiting 

[road turtle]

On 11/15/2022 at 7:25 AM, akirby said:

As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.

On the other hand, some dealers love to put bonus dollars on consumer purchases.  I just talked to a guy this weekend, his son bought a hellcat at $140k.  Don't know MSRP on his vehicle, but I'd bet it was under 100k.  Can't have it both ways, OEM's can not support this behavior while punishing dealers going after volume.

[akirby]

2 hours ago, road turtle said:

On the other hand, some dealers love to put bonus dollars on consumer purchases.  I just talked to a guy this weekend, his son bought a hellcat at $140k.  Don't know MSRP on his vehicle, but I'd bet it was under 100k.  Can't have it both ways, OEM's can not support this behavior while punishing dealers going after volume.

Sigh.  It has nothing to do with punishing or rewarding dealers.  This is strictly about allocations.  

[4thTimer]

On 11/15/2022 at 8:25 AM, akirby said:

Ford has to juggle keeping dealers and customers happy because they need both.

Actually, I think Ford is realizing it doesn't need dealers in the traditional sense.  Back in the day when you needed to hop a wagon or a bus or whatever to get to the nearest town so you can kick tires or take a little test drive to see if you like this or that model that happens to be on the dealer lot, the idea of travelling a great distance to get a vehicle was not an option.

 

Today, we read reviews, ask forum members, look at pics and videos online to decide what we want and order it.  What need is the dealership but to fill out the closing paperwork?  Had Ford just said, ok, we'll email you when it's done and you come pick it up in Louisville, I'd have been quite fine with that and would have spent a lot less than $1800 to get it.  I don't think anyone in the CONUS would need to spend over $1800 on a one-way flight to Louisville, and a drive back.  And certainly a lot would pay well under.  All Ford would need is an office at the factory to handle 50 states registration and key turnover.  Current dealerships would be reduced to used vehicle sales, repair/maintenance, and receipt for vehicles shipped in the traditional manner for those customers who'd prefer that.  But that would only be receipt and keys, the rest of the paperwork already handled by corporate. 

[akirby]

59 minutes ago, 4thTimer said:

  What need is the dealership but to fill out the closing paperwork?  

Test Drives.  Dealer prep.  Installing accessories.  Arranging financing including local institutions.  Registration paperwork.  Recalls.  Warranty Repairs.

Lease turn in.

 

You're severely underestimating the number of people Ford would have to add to handle all those functions.

[le engineer]

1 hour ago, 4thTimer said:

Actually, I think Ford is realizing it doesn't need dealers in the traditional sense.  Back in the day when you needed to hop a wagon or a bus or whatever to get to the nearest town so you can kick tires or take a little test drive to see if you like this or that model that happens to be on the dealer lot, the idea of travelling a great distance to get a vehicle was not an option.

 

Today, we read reviews, ask forum members, look at pics and videos online to decide what we want and order it.  What need is the dealership but to fill out the closing paperwork?  Had Ford just said, ok, we'll email you when it's done and you come pick it up in Louisville, I'd have been quite fine with that and would have spent a lot less than $1800 to get it.  I don't think anyone in the CONUS would need to spend over $1800 on a one-way flight to Louisville, and a drive back.  And certainly a lot would pay well under.  All Ford would need is an office at the factory to handle 50 states registration and key turnover.  Current dealerships would be reduced to used vehicle sales, repair/maintenance, and receipt for vehicles shipped in the traditional manner for those customers who'd prefer that.  But that would only be receipt and keys, the rest of the paperwork already handled by corporate. 

There’s the entire PDI process. The factory has no interest in doing that. 
 

It’s a common misconception that we’re Ford’s customers. We’re not. We’re the end users. Ford’s customers are the dealers. The dealer buys the car from Ford and re-sells it to us.
 

Corporate wants nothing to do with us. They provide dealers with a profit margin to take away the headache of interacting with you and me. The dealer is their buffer. Ever notice how you never get to interact with the warranty claim department directly? Order from the factory directly? Get technical support directly? All of those processes are pushed off onto the dealer.

 

 It would be wise to consider that eliminating the dealer for new car sales would inevitably result in everyone paying MSRP with nothing but an offshore call center or bewildered dealer to depend on. Costs go up, quality of service goes down. 

[King ranch 62]

9 hours ago, Alex Kreh said:

Oh yeah totally get the frustration. Especially when I haven’t even see it budge and Ford is no longer disclosing hold information I believe so idk if my truck is on hold or what. It’s listed as released but who knows. I didn’t have anhtbjng crazy and it was already sent offsite once. How come it could be sent offsite so quickly but it can’t be sent o me. Ordered in February and paying 85k It’s just extremely frustrating. I know a lot of people might be like yeha well that’s just how it is with supply chain and whatnot But man if my truck has been sitting at KTP for almost 2 months I feel like we gotta explore something else. I offered to pay to drop ship it to a dealer next to the plant but you have to make that decision before your truck gets built. ??‍♂️ I’m a diehard Ford man but this is killing me. I had to drop 1500$ on my trade in for a repair, but when I ordered in February I wasn’t worried cause I imagined I would have my truck by now. And now I’ll probably be sold a 2022 in 2023 without any “year old” discount. 

Yep, mine Has already made the train trip dropped off and ready for pick up to the dealer, why they don’t let Dealers pick up trucks from drop yard without doing  a bunch of paperwork or 2 to 3 weeks worth of bureaucracy blows my mind. Hell I would pay the dealer 500 to go get it if they were  allowed to with out a bunch of crap. by the time they get permission to do it it’ll be time for it to arrive, hopefully. it was delivered to Richmond 1 of November it was supposed to be delivered last week, now pushed back until  15 December. The whole thing is crazy. Order 13 January so it’ll be almost a year before I get it, if I’m lucky.

[IA Diver]

The system has worked well forever, until these crazy times. I think it will again. 

[Monoman]

3 hours ago, akirby said:

Test Drives.  Dealer prep.  Installing accessories.  Arranging financing including local institutions.  Registration paperwork.  Recalls.  Warranty Repairs.

Lease turn in.

...

 

Yep,  plus service.  There are plenty of opportunities for a dealership to make money even if sales are handled by the manufacturer.   However, I suspect new vehicle sales are a significant portion of the dealership's  profits.   

Edited November 16, 2022 by Monoman

[Monoman]

2 hours ago, le engineer said:

There’s the entire PDI process. The factory has no interest in doing that. 
 

It’s a common misconception that we’re Ford’s customers. We’re not. We’re the end users. Ford’s customers are the dealers. The dealer buys the car from Ford and re-sells it to us.
 

Corporate wants nothing to do with us. They provide dealers with a profit margin to take away the headache of interacting with you and me. The dealer is their buffer. Ever notice how you never get to interact with the warranty claim department directly? Order from the factory directly? Get technical support directly? All of those processes are pushed off onto the dealer.

 

 It would be wise to consider that eliminating the dealer for new car sales would inevitably result in everyone paying MSRP with nothing but an offshore call center or bewildered dealer to depend on. Costs go up, quality of service goes down. 

 

Very true about who Ford's customers really are.  There's nothing wrong with paying MSRP if that's the price for everyone.  I will say our purchase experience with Tesla was one of the best. The warranty/repair/service experience has been mostly great or above average with one exception where an outside body shop dealt with a paint warranty issue.  No offshore call center either.