doyall Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just caught the attached blurb here: https://www.autonews.com/commentary/good-old-fashioned-piston-engine-better-suited-some-vehicles-battery-electric The remainder is behind a paywall but I don't think the article is specifically about Ford. In any case, the writing is on the wall. Let's hope the technology has massive gains soon. I know that Ford has said there are no electric super/heavy duty trucks on the drawing board so what we have now may be what we continue to have in that segment. I'm sure there will be some hybrid super/heavy duties out of necessity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, doyall said: 6.8L "son of Godzilla"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, doyall said: The remainder is behind a paywall but I don't think the article is specifically about Ford. In any case, the writing is on the wall. Yes sir doyall, the end of the ICE age is an industry wide thing, not just Ford. Nowadays, there are no good reasons for any global automaker to invest resources designing new gasoline and diesel engines for light vehicles or commercial vehicles. Not only are electric powertrains much more efficient, but regulations in several countries will also ban the sale of new ICE vehicles completely by the beginning of the next decade, maybe even earlier. In December 2021, Hyundai Motor Group officially halted further R&D for ICE powertrains and closed its Engine Development Center. bzcat confirmed that most car companies including Ford have done the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 The current ICEs can last indefinitely if necessary. There really isn’t a need for any new ICEs with or without BEVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Regarding the Ford engineer who said "I'm the last man standing", on this site some members in the data processing field said the situation ICE powertrain engineers and technicians in the automotive industry face nowadays is similar to COBOL programmers in theirs. Both categories of workers have shrunk or will shrink in numbers dramatically, and their jobs will mostly be maintaining existing stuff, not designing new stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyall Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 2 hours ago, akirby said: The current ICEs can last indefinitely if necessary. There really isn’t a need for any new ICEs with or without BEVs. Considering the title of the article, let's hope so. The good-old fashioned piston engine is better suited for some vehicles than battery-electric powertrains The internal combustion engine will thrive in the next 15 years in sports cars, police vehicles and hardworking trucks that tow and haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, doyall said: I know that Ford has said there are no electric super/heavy duty trucks on the drawing board so what we have now may be what we continue to have in that segment. Yeah sure, they say that but does anyone really believe it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Yeah sure, they say that but does anyone really believe it? Farley doesn't. He recently stated that ICE for N. America will stick around for many more years, especially with its iconic brands like Mustang and Bronco. Many "electrified vehicles" will still have ICE motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: Farley doesn't. He recently stated that ICE for N. America will stick around for many more years, especially with its iconic brands like Mustang and Bronco. Many "electrified vehicles" will still have ICE motors. Right but does anyone believe Ford when they say there's no electrified SD or HD in development or at the very least being studied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Right but does anyone believe Ford when they say there's no electrified SD or HD in development or at the very least being studied? Nope. They already mentioned Blue Oval City was for “F-Series” not F150. It will just come later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Right but does anyone believe Ford when they say there's no electrified SD or HD in development or at the very least being studied? No sir. Ford is deliberately bluffing, maybe for competitive reasons. They probably have a big surprise up their sleeve when it comes to BEV Super Duty trucks. Ford will reveal it when the time is right, which will likely be mid to late 2020s. Ford is almost certainly doing R&D on SD/HD BEV powertrains nowadays. If BEV powertrains can be applied successfully to Class 8 trucks as is the case right now, there's no reason that Class 3 to 7 Ford trucks and vans cannot be BEV as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Nikkei reported yesterday that Nissan has a strategy similar to Ford's in terms of ending development of any new ICE powertrains, and will focus on BEV. Nikkei said Nissan is the "the first major Japanese automaker to make such a break". One difference compared to Ford is that Nissan plans to do "limited" development of gasoline engines in the U.S. market, mainly for pickup trucks. But with the market for BEV pickup trucks expanding rapidly over the next few years, it wouldn't be surprising if Nissan reconsiders and goes "all in" with BEV around the world. Nissan to end most development of new gasoline engines - Nikkei Asia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 4 hours ago, rperez817 said: Nikkei reported yesterday that Nissan has a strategy similar to Ford's in terms of ending development of any new ICE powertrains, and will focus on BEV. Nikkei said Nissan is the "the first major Japanese automaker to make such a break". One difference compared to Ford is that Nissan plans to do "limited" development of gasoline engines in the U.S. market, mainly for pickup trucks. But with the market for BEV pickup trucks expanding rapidly over the next few years, it wouldn't be surprising if Nissan reconsiders and goes "all in" with BEV around the world. Nissan to end most development of new gasoline engines - Nikkei Asia Nissan just put a new turbo 4 cyl ICE engine in its 2022 Rogue with variable compression. Impressive fuel mileage of 32 city and 37 highway. Much better mileage than 2021 Rogue. About 20% better. With ICE sticking around for many more years, companies would be foolish not to keep on developing its ICE to make it more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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