mackinaw Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Deanh said: I personally like how Ford hasn't gone all in like say GM....as another manufacturer just stated...SOMEONE will still be building ICE and selling everything they make.... BMW for one. https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/09/27/bmw-development-chief-were-not-giving-up-on-ice-models-yet/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 57 minutes ago, mackinaw said: BMW for one. https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/09/27/bmw-development-chief-were-not-giving-up-on-ice-models-yet/ Maybe BMW will eventually be able to develop an engine that doesn’t burn a quart of oil every 1000 miles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Deanh said: I personally like how Ford hasn't gone all in like say GM....as another manufacturer just stated...SOMEONE will still be building ICE and selling everything they make.... Correct, hybrid and PHEV gives ICE buyers the opportunity to benefit from electrification without any significant drawbacks, that’s where Ford’s plan makes more sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Don't count propane and gasoline/diesel out just yet! When the mining companies and countries hold Lithium and other minerals hostage like they did with the chips, you'll be holding your thumb up your a$$!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Joe771476 said: Don't count propane and gasoline/diesel out just yet! When the mining companies and countries hold Lithium and other minerals hostage like they did with the chips, you'll be holding your thumb up your a$$!!!! Propane is expensive too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Propane is expensive too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe771476 said: Don't count propane and gasoline/diesel out just yet! When the mining companies and countries hold Lithium and other minerals hostage like they did with the chips, you'll be holding your thumb up your a$$!!!! That is the stupidest thing I've read today.... Man people just don't like change.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: That is the stupidest thing I've read today.... Man people just don't like change.... comment aside...expect shortages when it comes to raw materials necessary for battery manufacture...even Musk has stated he may have to venture into lithium mining. As for being held hostage..ANY time we are dependent on foreign supply, theres always a good change those materials will be leveraged and supply manipulated...its EXACTLY the same as oil and theres no doubt in my mind it will mirror the same path....... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Deanh said: comment aside...expect shortages when it comes to raw materials necessary for battery manufacture...even Musk has stated he may have to venture into lithium mining. As for being held hostage..ANY time we are dependent on foreign supply, theres always a good change those materials will be leveraged and supply manipulated...its EXACTLY the same as oil and theres no doubt in my mind it will mirror the same path....... Supposedly, solid state batteries will not require lithium, nickel, or any other minerals for that matter. And supposedly solid state batteries will be here in a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Deanh said: comment aside...expect shortages when it comes to raw materials necessary for battery manufacture...even Musk has stated he may have to venture into lithium mining. As for being held hostage..ANY time we are dependent on foreign supply, theres always a good change those materials will be leveraged and supply manipulated...its EXACTLY the same as oil and theres no doubt in my mind it will mirror the same path....... But at the same time continue down the same path we have been is the definition of insanity, especially when it is a product that we are apparently running out of. All I see is finger pointing and regurgitation of stupid tropes of electric vehicles on social media to try influence adaption of them, often by people have no clue. Not to mention there has already attempts to source items locally (ie North America) for lithium mining and other items needed for batteries. So your either gonna keep propping up 3rd world shitholes for oil, frack the hell out of your own country or try to mine the stuff you need for batteries-pick your poison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: But at the same time continue down the same path we have been is the definition of insanity, especially when it is a product that we are apparently running out of. All I see is finger pointing and regurgitation of stupid tropes of electric vehicles on social media to try influence adaption of them, often by people have no clue. Not to mention there has already attempts to source items locally (ie North America) for lithium mining and other items needed for batteries. So your either gonna keep propping up 3rd world shitholes for oil, frack the hell out of your own country or try to mine the stuff you need for batteries-pick your poison. all the time saving the environment right?...I know...bat shit crazy logic that befuddles me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Supposedly, solid state batteries will not require lithium, nickel, or any other minerals for that matter. And supposedly solid state batteries will be here in a few years. when that actually happens Ill be convinced...an awful lot of crap has been stated over the years regarding electric vehicles and their power source...only to basically completely disappear from conversation and not become reality...so until something actually becomes reality Ill label such rumors as that as false promotion attempting to convince naysayers,,,... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, Deanh said: when that actually happens Ill be convinced...an awful lot of crap has been stated over the years regarding electric vehicles and their power source...only to basically completely disappear from conversation and not become reality...so until something actually becomes reality Ill label such rumors as that as false promotion attempting to convince naysayers,,,... We'll see if Nissan can pull this off. Pilot production of solid-state batteries to start in 2024. https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a39702286/nissan-solid-state-ev-battery-production/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Deanh said: when that actually happens Ill be convinced...an awful lot of crap has been stated over the years regarding electric vehicles and their power source...only to basically completely disappear from conversation and not become reality...so until something actually becomes reality Ill label such rumors as that as false promotion attempting to convince naysayers,,,... There also haven’t been a real market or government requirements to meet until the past 10 years or so either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Supposedly, solid state batteries will not require lithium, nickel, or any other minerals for that matter. And supposedly solid state batteries will be here in a few years. Is that before or after those flying cars we've heard about? Lol. 2 hours ago, Deanh said: all the time saving the environment right?...I know...bat shit crazy logic that befuddles me... Don't you know if you do it across the world, it doesn't affect the environment? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, mackinaw said: We'll see if Nissan can pull this off. Pilot production of solid-state batteries to start in 2024. https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a39702286/nissan-solid-state-ev-battery-production/ Nissan even makes me more skeptical..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, silvrsvt said: There also haven’t been a real market or government requirements to meet until the past 10 years or so either. agreed...but I swear I would lay money on good old ICE soldiering on, and I would absolutely love someone to develop a synthetic gasoline equivalent that was reasonably affordable to keep me, and Id guess a LOT of other happy. If theres a shortage of material necessary to manufacture Electric batteries , imagine what will happen to THEIR pricing..... Edited April 20, 2022 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) On 4/14/2022 at 3:18 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: Isn't everything in SoCal unaffordable unless you’re ultra rich? When these kinds of discussions pop up, the opening stanza of the classic Neil Diamond song "I Am... I Said" always pops into my head: L.A.'s fine, the sun shines most the time And the feeling is "lay back" Palm trees grow and rents are low But you know I keep thinkin' about Making my way back What LA and coastal California did to itself the last few decades is really something. Now, back to our regularly-scheduled discussion on how electric vehicles will save the world! (...and BTW, I decided to buy out my Nautilus lease and will be keeping it for a few more years. Most likely my next vehicle will be an electric. Looking forward to today's unveiling of the Lincoln electric prototype.) Edited April 20, 2022 by Gurgeh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmpaul Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 https://www.lithiumamericas.com/usa/thacker-pass/ There is at least one lithium mine being built in US. It's received heavy opposition of course. https://www.hcn.org/issues/53.3/indigenous-affairs-mining-nevada-lithium-mine-kicks-off-a-new-era-of-western-extraction/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 19 hours ago, Deanh said: Nissan even makes me more skeptical..... Ford and its battery sponsor are working on solid state battery too. I believe all the major auto companies are working hard on it. Especially now with shortages of expensive metals. To say only Nissan is working on it is very wrong. On side note, the new Nissan variable compression ICE engine gets fuel mileage almost as good as comparable hybrid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 38 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: Ford and its battery sponsor are working on solid state battery too. I believe all the major auto companies are working hard on it. Especially now with shortages of expensive metals. To say only Nissan is working on it is very wrong. On side note, the new Nissan variable compression ICE engine gets fuel mileage almost as good as comparable hybrid. don't mention the CVT......ever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, Deanh said: don't mention the CVT......ever.... If you own one, your mechanic is going to mention it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 7 hours ago, jasonj80 said: If you own one, your mechanic is going to mention it a lot. knock on wood my Fusion HEV has 215K on it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: knock on wood my Fusion HEV has 215K on it.... Fortunately the Hybrid CVT is a completely different animal to the the early mechanical CVT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Tesla just announced a nett profit of $3.32 billion of Q1, covid shutdown in China is going to curtail production and deliveries/exports this month with possibly a lower result in Q2 even with Texas and Berlin ramping up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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