Trader 10 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-discontinue-transit-connect-us-after-2023 Ford has cancelled plans to build the NG TC in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 This seems like an odd move these are selling pretty well why would they discontinue it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Andrew L said: This seems like an odd move these are selling pretty well why would they discontinue it? Because it’s an kind of an orphan platform. The current thinking was the next Gen would be based off a Maverick. The one in the EU was replaced by a VW product. Another though is it will take a break and come back once we know what BEV platform will be used for small CUVs like the Escape in NA in a few years. I think that any new ICE development outside of refreshes for Bronco Sport and Bronco is dead for any North American products. I doubt we will see that rumored Subaru fighter outside of the Focus Active name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Because it’s an kind of an orphan platform. The current thinking was the next Gen would be based off a Maverick. The one in the EU was replaced by a VW product. Another though is it will take a break and come back once we know what BEV platform will be used for small CUVs like the Escape in NA in a few years. I think that any new ICE development outside of refreshes for Bronco Sport and Bronco is dead for any North American products. I doubt we will see that rumored Subaru fighter outside of the Focus Active name. I'm calling it now. The only vehicles left that will have a straight ICE option by the end of the decade, and this is probably obvious but I don't care, are Ranger, Bronco, F-150, Super Duty and Transit. Everything else will be BEV or FHEV. I'm not convinced that the heavy trucks survive to the end of the decade. As for that Subaru fighter; that died a long time ago. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I'm calling it now. The only vehicles left that will have a straight ICE option by the end of the decade, and this is probably obvious but I don't care, are Ranger, Bronco, F-150, Super Duty and Transit. Everything else will be BEV or FHEV. I'm not convinced that the heavy trucks survive to the end of the decade. No Expedition/Navigator? You think they would leave the family RV towing market to GM? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplorerDude Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 50 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: No Expedition/Navigator? You think they would leave the family RV towing market to GM? HRG Expedition will have both ICE and BEV, while Navigator will be BEV only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I would say Expedition, Explorer, Mustang, Bronco, F series, Transit and Ranger continue with ICE powertrains. Maverick and Bronco Sport might be HEV only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 2 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: No Expedition/Navigator? You think they would leave the family RV towing market to GM? HRG I believe those two will be hybrid only eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, akirby said: I would say Expedition, Explorer, Mustang, Bronco, F series, Transit and Ranger continue with ICE powertrains. Maverick and Bronco Sport might be HEV only. I’m thinking that by 2026 or so, all those will offer a PHEV or HEV option option only and after 2030, only the Super Duty and maybe heavy trucks will still offer gas options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I believe those two will be hybrid only eventually. Except the Powerboost hybrid is just an ICE powertrain with electric assist. It does not use an Atkinson cycle engine or an E-CVT like other hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, akirby said: Except the Powerboost hybrid is just an ICE powertrain with electric assist. It does not use an Atkinson cycle engine or an E-CVT like other hybrids. Well, it doesn't HAVE to be Atkinson cycle or use an E-CVT to be a hybrid. I would not expect to see either of those on a full-size truck or SUV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Did the factory have capacity? Does the cancellation open up additional capacity for BS and Maverick, or is lack of capacity part of the reason for the cancellation? I’ve seen two commercial Mavericks this week that probably would have been TCs previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Well, it doesn't HAVE to be Atkinson cycle or use an E-CVT to be a hybrid. I would not expect to see either of those on a full-size truck or SUV. My point was that both still use the same ICE engine and tranny so there isn’t much difference whether it’s pure ICE or a Powerboost hybrid. As opposed to Escape where the ICE powertrain and hybrid powertrains are completely different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, sullynd said: Did the factory have capacity? Does the cancellation open up additional capacity for BS and Maverick, or is lack of capacity part of the reason for the cancellation? I’ve seen two commercial Mavericks this week that probably would have been TCs previously. I’m guessing BS and Maverick capacity played a big role in that decision. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Article is behind paywall so I can only read the headline. But I'm guessing the robust sales or Bronco Sport and Maverick spelled doom for NG Transit Connect. The different requirements for replacement in Europe and North America also played a role, limiting the choice of production sites and volume projection. At the end, this was kind of a fitting end to "One Ford". As you may recall, Transit Connect was the first non-US designed model that Mulally introduced to the US as a warm up act for Mk3 Focus and Mk6 Fiesta that also eventually saw unification of Kuga and Escape, Mondeo and Fusion, and fullsize Transit coming to the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, akirby said: Except the Powerboost hybrid is just an ICE powertrain with electric assist. It does not use an Atkinson cycle engine or an E-CVT like other hybrids. Right, but still a hybrid. My original point is I don't believe those two will have an ICE only powertrain option by the end of the decade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Short of a few Super-Duty's there will not be much of anything except a super limited run or "not street legal" in the lineup that isn't a hybrid or fully electric at the end of the decade; CAFE basically requires it. CAFE is 8% increase from 23-24 model year, 8% from 24-25 model year, and 10% from 25-26 MY. Post 2026 regular non-hybird ICE will be slim pickings. Edited August 24, 2022 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Transit Connect was always an imported product for NA....one guess would be that this may continue but from a Ford plant that is not in the EU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I really don't think hybrids have much of a future. EV technology will make them obsolete soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said: I really don't think hybrids have much of a future. EV technology will make them obsolete soon.eventually. FTFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, twintornados said: Transit Connect was always an imported product for NA....one guess would be that this may continue but from a Ford plant that is not in the EU. It is only sold in Europe and North America. Europe will get rebadged VW Caddy and North America didn't have room for a new one. Where else would you build it? India? Ford just sold the factory to Tata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Had my Transit Connect for 4 months now, very happy with it and saddened to see it join the growing list of Ford's orphans. While it'd be more expensive, I'd love to replace it with the VW Caddy based Transit Connect in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 We just got two 22 TC for work a few months ago. They are fantastic for our testing service business. Plan was to replace a hodge Podge of CRV’s, econolines, and rangers with them. Guess I will have to find another vehicle suited for it with good mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Provides the chance to import the Custom if they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Here’s a bit from the article some of you can’t see… Quote The small van segment has contracted in recent years as Nissan ended production of the NV200 and other commercial vehicles. General Motors bowed out in 2018 by cutting its Chevrolet City Express vans, which were produced by Nissan. Ford in 2019 canceled plans to add an EcoBlue diesel engine option as part of the current model's midcycle freshening, citing lack of demand. The Transit Connect leads the shrinking segment, although U.S. sales have fallen 15 percent this year to 15,919 through July. So small van sales are contracting pretty badly even as some players departed, Ford will probably double down with full size Transit sales and maybe push the SWB version to replace TC as much as possible… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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