silvrsvt Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Mustang Dark Horse - 500 hp Mustang GT - 486 hp Mustang EcoBoost - 315 hp Nice bump up for the GT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Well that should make somebody around here happy…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, akirby said: Well that should make somebody around here happy…… I saw the numbers this morning and I was one of those complaining about the rumored lack of increase in power, so I want to acknowledge that I stand corrected and hats off to Ford for the respectable power gain on the GT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Ford Media revised language now makes it clear that 2.3L EcoBoost is all new from the ground up. “The Mustang EcoBoost coupe and convertible feature a new engine from the ground up that incorporates Ford’s new Modular Power Cylinder (MPC) engine architecture, driving prowess in design and function – and is targeted to have improved EPA-estimated fuel economy over the outgoing model year***. It uses a new Bore to Stroke ratio, Port Fuel injection coupled with direct injection, variable cam timing, integrated Exhaust Gas Recirculation and Twin Scroll turbocharging technologies to deliver the performance Mustang drivers expect. “ Targeted highway fuel economy improvement of 2 MPG is also significant; though that could be partly due to aerodynamic improvements and not just engine. “***Outgoing base model Mustang has an EPA estimated fuel economy of 22 city/32 hwy/25 combined; 2024 Mustang base model has a targeted fuel economy of 22 city/34 hwy/26 combined.” Edited December 15, 2022 by Rick73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I’m kind of surprised Dark Horse isn’t more but I really don’t know how much more you can squeeze out of a coyote without forced induction of some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 I would hope they put that same 2.3 in the upcoming Ranger. That may be why they dropped it from Corsair too. Whittle that engine down to 2 vehicles basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, 92merc said: I would hope they put that same 2.3 in the upcoming Ranger. That may be why they dropped it from Corsair too. Whittle that engine down to 2 vehicles basically. Don’t forget Bronco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Wasn't there a youtube video of a mustang engineer touting "more than 500" for dark horse recently?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I’m kind of surprised Dark Horse isn’t more but I really don’t know how much more you can squeeze out of a coyote without forced induction of some form. Could they be sand bagging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Could they be sand bagging? Wouldn’t be the first time *cough* Terminator *cough* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Wouldn’t be the first time *cough* Terminator *cough* Yes, I was thinking perhaps GT350 hp……..or maybe it sustains the 500 hp at higher rpm. A factory 500 hp 5.0 is still something special…. Edited December 15, 2022 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Yes, I was thinking perhaps GT350 hp……..or maybe it sustains the 500 hp at higher rpm. A factory 500 hp 5.0 is still something special…. Finally caught up to Honda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Captainp4 said: Finally caught up to Honda How so? Perhaps that’s an unequal comparison? Edited December 15, 2022 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Rick73 said: Ford Media revised language now makes it clear that 2.3L EcoBoost is all new from the ground up. “The Mustang EcoBoost coupe and convertible feature a new engine from the ground up that incorporates Ford’s new Modular Power Cylinder (MPC) engine architecture, driving prowess in design and function – and is targeted to have improved EPA-estimated fuel economy over the outgoing model year***. It uses a new Bore to Stroke ratio, Port Fuel injection coupled with direct injection, variable cam timing, integrated Exhaust Gas Recirculation and Twin Scroll turbocharging technologies to deliver the performance Mustang drivers expect. “ Hmmm I wonder if we will see an I5 or I6 from this architecture…though I wonder about what it could be used in, unless Ford is planning a wholesale reduction of ICE engines and narrow the lineup down to just two different displacement I4s and I6 engines to replace the nano and 3.5L V6s…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Hmmm I wonder if we will see an I5 or I6 from this architecture…though I wonder about what it could be used in, unless Ford is planning a wholesale reduction of ICE engines and narrow the lineup down to just two different displacement I4s and I6 engines to replace the nano and 3.5L V6s…. Appears a possibility whether Ford does it or not. Using same 84X102 bore and stroke, a 5-cylinder yields 2.8L and 6-cylinder 3.4L in displacement. Perhaps 5-cylinder could replace Nano V6 and 6-cylinder replace Cyclone? Engine length could be a problem, but others are doing it. A 5-cylinder could fit in Transit since it had 3.2L diesel I-5 already. An I-6 may even fit. Standardizing on one common design and making them inline may save cost long-term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Rick73 said: Appears a possibility whether Ford does it or not. Using same 84X102 bore and stroke, a 5-cylinder yields 2.8L and 6-cylinder 3.4L in displacement. Perhaps 5-cylinder could replace Nano V6 and 6-cylinder replace Cyclone? Engine length could be a problem, but others are doing it. A 5-cylinder could fit in Transit since it had 3.2L diesel I-5 already. An I-6 may even fit. Standardizing on one common design and making them inline may save cost long-term. Looking at the next 8-10 years...Ford really doesn't have a need for a V6 anymore-no FWD applications since the Edge is going away and the only FWD platform is the C2 (Escape, Maverick, etc) and a 315HP I4 is plenty or overkill for that application. The Ranger, Bronco, Explorer (plus lincoln variants) and F-150 could share the same power packages-2.3L as entry level and maybe an I5 as the Nano replacement and the I6 as the 3.5 like you where saying. The could also go 3 cyc route for entry level models for the Escape and Maverick. I'm assuming that ICE will be more or less dead in most applications by 2035 or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Very good numbers. I am a bit surprised that the DH did not have a few more HP to separate it more from the GT, but I certainly am not going to complain about a 500 HP 5.0. Good job Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudz64 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 So basically, the new 2023 GT now matches the ‘19/20 Bullitt. Makes you wonder if they dropped the hp in ‘21 V8’s to now raise it with the new model to make a bigger splash? Either way, all good numbers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Broncofan7 said: Very good numbers. I am a bit surprised that the DH did not have a few more HP to separate it more from the GT, but I certainly am not going to complain about a 500 HP 5.0. Good job Ford. I was surprised by this too, but I’m still happy with the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 I'm thinking the Dark Horse name plate is a way for Ford to make another trim level that doesn't have to live up to the "heritage" connotations that the Mach 1 and GT 350/500 have. I was thinking it might have been just a GT with a Performance Package 2 on it by a different name, but there seems to be more done to it that would seperate it more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainp4 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 20 hours ago, jpd80 said: How so? Perhaps that’s an unequal comparison? Forgot the laugh emojii, just a joke about all the Honda bros touting 100hp/L from the s2000 years ago. Very impressive for n/a 5.0 v8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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