silvrsvt Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2024/06/10/uaw-president-fain-under-investigation-by-federal-court-watchdog/74047826007/ Hmmmm 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew L Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Oh boy here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Sounds like Fain may have some "issues" within his organization, and aside from any of those, it seems to me this guy has intentions that go beyond the specifics of a good contract for the UAW members. His recent comments about calling for a "national strike" when the current contract expires, smacks to me of the rhetoric used by labor "leaders" in much of the EU over the years. The danger I see in that, is suddenly, labor issues get blurred with social issues. And when that happens, it is very easy for the competitive issues faced by the domestic auto industry with its huge investment costs, get blurred with industry and businesses that have no such costs that bind the employer to keeping his workforce here. It is bad enough -my observation, right or wrong-that some very basic auto industry positions with minimal skill/effort requirements earn the same as those performing tasks that require greater skills and or physical requirements. But Fain's desire to put all labor in the same pool would only lead to a diminished competitive position for American industry in general. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 19 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said: But Fain's desire to put all labor in the same pool would only lead to a diminished competitive position for American industry in general. That’s Marxism for you 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 23 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That’s Marxism for you Equal outcome verse equal opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 On 6/11/2024 at 2:30 PM, Bob Rosadini said: Sounds like Fain may have some "issues" within his organization, and aside from any of those, it seems to me this guy has intentions that go beyond the specifics of a good contract for the UAW members. His recent comments about calling for a "national strike" when the current contract expires, smacks to me of the rhetoric used by labor "leaders" in much of the EU over the years. The danger I see in that, is suddenly, labor issues get blurred with social issues. And when that happens, it is very easy for the competitive issues faced by the domestic auto industry with its huge investment costs, get blurred with industry and businesses that have no such costs that bind the employer to keeping his workforce here. It is bad enough -my observation, right or wrong-that some very basic auto industry positions with minimal skill/effort requirements earn the same as those performing tasks that require greater skills and or physical requirements. But Fain's desire to put all labor in the same pool would only lead to a diminished competitive position for American industry in general. It also boils down to the labor pool is also shrinking-Boomers are just about out of the labor market, Gen X is getting older and they are a small cohort, Millennials are the largest group but are rapidly approaching middle age, and Generation Z is only slightly larger then Gen X and about 4 million smaller then the Millennials. Shortages in the labor market are going to drive strikes (because it will be harder to replace workers to a point), but should be curious how this all shakes out with the UAW and what the actual tipping point was-was it their actions or the people inside the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Fain is becoming a grumpy old man. He should come back to Kokomo, IN and play some basketball like he did in high school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Sounds like this could be brewing into an episode of the TV show American Greed. Have you ever watched it? I go from gut wrenching to hysterical laughter watching this show. There is no middle ground. You just won't believe what some of these politicians, people portraying themselves as doctors, financial advisors, bank executives, art dealers, and guys exuding millions of pills out of a machine in their cellar are doing to greedy and naive investors, retirees, people who are ill, and even astute millionaires!!!! Stacy Keach narrates and his jabs and delivery are funny and impeccable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Death, taxes, and UAW corruption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Everything I've learned about this individual screams scumbag to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 20 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Everything I've learned about this individual screams scumbag to me. But, do you know him personally....or, are you basing it on articles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, twintornados said: But, do you know him personally....or, are you basing it on articles? Maybe he’s basing it on everything he’s said and done publicly. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 44 minutes ago, akirby said: Maybe he’s basing it on everything he’s said and done publicly. Exactly, it's not like I've lived with the man and know all the tiny details about his life, but I have seen how he conducts himself publicly, and it's not flattering in the slightest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, twintornados said: But, do you know him personally....or, are you basing it on articles? No offense, but were you one of the people that was defending him, and the UAW back when they were making outrageous demands? I'm not anti-union for the most part, but I am anti-greed and stupidity. He's the kind of guy to keep demanding more and more, and then wonder why all these companies are sending jobs overseas. He just doesn't seem like a smart or decent guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I won’t pile on here but just say that actions have consequence and if the UAW think that stone walling an investigation lead by the court appointed watchdog is a smart thing then get ready for a raft of even heavier regulation. If it can be shown that the UAW leadership don’t follow their own rules, then there could be a speedy replacement of the people at the top….. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 13 hours ago, akirby said: Maybe he’s basing it on everything he’s said and done publicly. 13 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Exactly, it's not like I've lived with the man and know all the tiny details about his life, but I have seen how he conducts himself publicly, and it's not flattering in the slightest. My point exactly, you are basing it on what you've seen in the media and we all know, media can get pretty biased. I am not in any way defending him as he is a grown man and can defend himself. All I am saying is, you don't really know the person, just the media presentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 3 hours ago, twintornados said: My point exactly, you are basing it on what you've seen in the media and we all know, media can get pretty biased. I am not in any way defending him as he is a grown man and can defend himself. All I am saying is, you don't really know the person, just the media presentation. It’s not just media presentation. He’s been the most vocal UAW president I can remember in my lifetime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 5 hours ago, twintornados said: My point exactly, you are basing it on what you've seen in the media and we all know, media can get pretty biased. I am not in any way defending him as he is a grown man and can defend himself. All I am saying is, you don't really know the person, just the media presentation. What he has said and done publicly is enough for ME to label him a scumbag. I don’t care what he does privately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Also it’s not just what he said but also what he’s done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisgb Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I recall @ice-capades posted an article shortly before the contract vote outlining Fain's ties to Socialist movers and shakers. In it, he was shown in accompanying photos with them. It was as alarming as it was enlightening. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 8 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It’s not just media presentation. He’s been the most vocal UAW president I can remember in my lifetime Not necessarily a bad thing 6 hours ago, akirby said: What he has said and done publicly is enough for ME to label him a scumbag. I don’t care what he does privately. You can label anything you want, it makes no difference 5 hours ago, Chrisgb said: I recall @ice-capades posted an article shortly before the contract vote outlining Fain's ties to Socialist movers and shakers. In it, he was shown in accompanying photos with them. It was as alarming as it was enlightening. Socialist creeps always piss me off....the irony is, here in NY State, the Dems and their "progressive liberals" have left the union members in the dust and the GOP endears themselves to the union members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 3 minutes ago, twintornados said: Not necessarily a bad thing No, but I haven’t gotten a warm and fuzzy feeling from him either. There’s always been something about him that’s really bothered me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 7/1/2024 at 11:37 AM, Chrisgb said: I recall @ice-capades posted an article shortly before the contract vote outlining Fain's ties to Socialist movers and shakers. In it, he was shown in accompanying photos with them. It was as alarming as it was enlightening. But, based on the kinds of things he says, not surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 According to an article in yesterday's WSJ, the federal watchdog appointed to monitor UAW activities is probing a situation in which Fain made some attempts to take action that would have benefited his girlfriend an her sister. One of the specifics is that Fain sacked a VP for failing to follow his direction to take actions that would have benefited the ladies in question. Of course, innocent until proven guilty. Can't imagine with a fed agent imbedded in the organization he would have the balls to do that but I guess he thinks he is bullet proof. Or the fed is clueless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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