Jim Farley Says Ford Can Deal With Trump Policy Shakeups

[OacRookie]

When Canada retaliates against this what then? Ford is the #1 brand in Canada and the biggest export market for U.S cars. ~120k F-Series + other models is not an insignificant number.

 

Not to mention there are side letters agreed upon in the USMCA that were designed to specifically prevent something like this happening which he is clearly violating. 

 

If they go through with this USMCA is over. Why would Canada renegotiate any new trade deal at this point?

Edited March 30 by OacRookie

[Rick73]

1 hour ago, OacRookie said:

When Canada retaliates against this what then?

The numbers are most concerning.  If it were only Canada it’s one thing, but when US takes on Canada, Mexico, China, and Europe all at once, and they respond in unison, then what?  There have been some concessions, in an effort to appease and deescalate, but it’s hard to imagine the rest of world will cow down to US pressure to a significant degree.  Whether tariffs are justified or not is secondary to whether they have high probability of succeeding.  Not too optimistic on favorable outcome.

[AM222]

1 hour ago, Rick73 said:

The numbers are most concerning.  If it were only Canada it’s one thing, but when US takes on Canada, Mexico, China, and Europe all at once, and they respond in unison, then what? 

A case of creating new problems instead of solving existing ones.

 

[CKNSLS]

On 3/28/2025 at 10:19 AM, DeluxeStang said:

The sad thing is, I wanted him to succeed, just like I wanted Biden to succeed. I don't care if the person I vote for wins, I just want to see the country, and the rest of the world do well. A large part of why I voted for Trump was life wasn't exactly great for many of us younger individuals under the Biden administration either. 

 

So it kinda felt like picking between two STD's. I genuinely hope our nation sees a turning point in the near future where both parties get back on their feet and start putting out genuinely compelling candidates.

 

I've never really known what a great president was like, basically my entire life has been "I'm bad, but you should see the other guy" and I'm just tired of that, of voting for someone out of spite for who they're running against. I'd love to see a great leader in this country again. 

 

Nice post dude....

[Bob Rosadini]

On 3/28/2025 at 3:19 PM, akirby said:

Absolutely but the current primary election system makes that virtually impossible.  Something needs to change.

I'm all for the two party system.  If there is a lesson in this, it speaks to the benefits of the primary system IMO. Not enough people pay attention to the primaries.  A good primary system should produce a consensus for both sides.

 

IMO Haley was a home run...grew up in a working family and was involved in her family business.  Did a good job as a governor, and in my opinion I would take a governor any day over someone who served in congress...governors are like CEOs and have to make a system run.  Stood her ground in the UN.  She would have killed Trump in a debate, but I think he recognized that.  And if nothing else she would carry the female and minority vote.

 

I voted  for Trump three times as the lesser of two evils and clearly there was no doubt that this time so did a lot of Dems and Independents IMO.

[blazerdude20]

On 3/28/2025 at 10:45 AM, rmc523 said:

 

Uh....he already can't run for re-election....

Well in obvious terms, no. But let’s be honest, the last decade has been very strange politically. It wouldn’t very surprising to see some effort to disregard/invalidate the 22nd amendment. 
 

https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2025/03/trump-says-hes-considering-ways-to-serve-a-third-term-as-president.html

[Motorpsychology]

4 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

I'm all for the two party system.  If there is a lesson in this, it speaks to the benefits of the primary system IMO. Not enough people pay attention to the primaries.  A good primary system should produce a consensus for both sides.

 

IMO Haley was a home run...grew up in a working family and was involved in her family business.  Did a good job as a governor, and in my opinion I would take a governor any day over someone who served in congress...governors are like CEOs and have to make a system run.  Stood her ground in the UN.  She would have killed Trump in a debate, but I think he recognized that.  And if nothing else she would carry the female and minority vote.

 

I voted  for Trump three times as the lesser of two evils and clearly there was no doubt that this time so did a lot of Dems and Independents IMO.

10-4 on Nikki Haley. If she enters the 2028 primary, or if there is a recall election between now and then, she's got my vote. Again; I wrote her in this past election. She had a fart in a hurricane chance, but DJT lost me with his campaign promise, "I will be a dictator on Day One!" 

[Harley Lover]

16 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:

  If there is a lesson in this, it speaks to the benefits of the primary system IMO. Not enough people pay attention to the primaries.  A good primary system should produce a consensus for both sides.

 

I'm loath to enter what has become a political discussion, but will add this: the primary system is broken. Both party's primaries cater to their fringe/extremist elements (both sides of which have figured out they can influence the outcome of their respective party's nomination in vast disproportion to their % of the electorate), resulting in essentially an impossibility that either party will select a more centrist candidate, instead selecting a candidate that, of necessity, must court that party's fringe/extremist element to win the nomination. Both parties need to, but won't, determine a way to correct this imbalance. Until they do, we'll get nominees, that as DeluxeStang wrote "So it kinda felt like picking between two STD's."

[Bob Rosadini]

4 hours ago, Harley Lover said:

 

I'm loath to enter what has become a political discussion, but will add this: the primary system is broken. Both party's primaries cater to their fringe/extremist elements (both sides of which have figured out they can influence the outcome of their respective party's nomination in vast disproportion to their % of the electorate), resulting in essentially an impossibility that either party will select a more centrist candidate, instead selecting a candidate that, of necessity, must court that party's fringe/extremist element to win the nomination. Both parties need to, but won't, determine a way to correct this imbalance. Until they do, we'll get nominees, that as DeluxeStang wrote "So it kinda felt like picking between two STD's."

And that is my point.  The fired up nut jobs turn out at primaries and too many don't pay attention and they stay home.  Trump didn't have the stones to debate Haley..he figured he didn't have to.  And he was running against the weakest ticket ever.   He got a lot of Dems and Independent votes, not as votes for him, but as votes against two clueless people.

 

 Too many people stayed home instead of voting in the primaries.

[akirby]

5 hours ago, Harley Lover said:

 

I'm loath to enter what has become a political discussion, but will add this: the primary system is broken. Both party's primaries cater to their fringe/extremist elements (both sides of which have figured out they can influence the outcome of their respective party's nomination in vast disproportion to their % of the electorate), resulting in essentially an impossibility that either party will select a more centrist candidate, instead selecting a candidate that, of necessity, must court that party's fringe/extremist element to win the nomination. Both parties need to, but won't, determine a way to correct this imbalance. Until they do, we'll get nominees, that as DeluxeStang wrote "So it kinda felt like picking between two STD's."

My point exactly.  Ditch the primaries and have an open election with all candidates then take the top 3-4 vote getters and have a runoff.  That seems to be the only way to get a centrist candidate elected.  If the dems were smart they would have gone with a more moderate candidate who was against open borders and other extreme left ideals.  They would have won in a landslide.

[DeluxeStang]

22 minutes ago, akirby said:

My point exactly.  Ditch the primaries and have an open election with all candidates then take the top 3-4 vote getters and have a runoff.  That seems to be the only way to get a centrist candidate elected.  If the dems were smart they would have gone with a more moderate candidate who was against open borders and other extreme left ideals.  They would have won in a landslide.

Instead they stuck with Harris which was a hell no candidate. I get it, the original plan was to run Biden again, and they had to scramble last minute to put up another candidate, but still, that was a bonehead move. Most people hated the Biden administration, should have gone with someone else. 

[akirby]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

Instead they stuck with Harris which was a hell no candidate. I get it, the original plan was to run Biden again, and they had to scramble last minute to put up another candidate, but still, that was a bonehead move. Most people hated the Biden administration, should have gone with someone else. 

Especially when asked what she would do differently than Biden she said “honestly I can think of a thing…”.

[DeluxeStang]

45 minutes ago, akirby said:

Especially when asked what she would do differently than Biden she said “honestly I can think of a thing…”.

I literally facepalmed, talk about a tone deaf politician. 

[Rick73]

CNBC reporting that “Tariff Plans Remain In Flux” currently, suggesting to me that some backpedaling is still possible.  Don’t see much reason to be overly optimistic but there’s still some hope cooler heads prevail.  We’ll see soon enough in a few days, though that too can change if decisions drag out.

[akirby]

22 minutes ago, Rick73 said:

CNBC reporting that “Tariff Plans Remain In Flux” currently, suggesting to me that some backpedaling is still possible.  Don’t see much reason to be overly optimistic but there’s still some hope cooler heads prevail.  We’ll see soon enough in a few days, though that too can change if decisions drag out.

I expect him to backpedal and say we’ll give the automakers 1-2 years to prepare.  He’s just trying to show them he’s willing to do it to get them to commit to more US manufacturing.  Which can’t be done overnight.

[Bob Rosadini]

45 minutes ago, akirby said:

I expect him to backpedal and say we’ll give the automakers 1-2 years to prepare.  He’s just trying to show them he’s willing to do it to get them to commit to more US manufacturing.  Which can’t be done overnight.

For sure..he has to understand that..although at times he says stuff and I scratch my head.  Key question how many Ford/GM/Stellantis plants are running at capacity?

But again, IMO key point that is never mentioned is just how did we lose so many manufacturing jobs?  Everytime I hear a CEO or owner explain why he outsourced his manufacturing operation, it is  the same thing... "I could not compete with my competitors who outsourced oversees- I had to follow suit as I could not compete with my labor costs, governmental compliance issues etc.

 

Of course before the election Shawn Fain, head of UAW could not stand Trump and vice versa.  Now they are sharing the same Kool-Aid.  We will see how long that lasts.

 

To say nothing of the fact that to make the economics work, more automation can be justified as well as more streamlining of the option list I would imagine.

Fain really won big with his John Deere contract.  Only one problem with that.

Every day I read about a new Chinese entity  entering the construction equipment market in this country.  Hope the Deere workers enjoy their new package while they can.

[DeluxeStang]

2 hours ago, Rick73 said:

CNBC reporting that “Tariff Plans Remain In Flux” currently, suggesting to me that some backpedaling is still possible.  Don’t see much reason to be overly optimistic but there’s still some hope cooler heads prevail.  We’ll see soon enough in a few days, though that too can change if decisions drag out.

Holy shit can our country just pick a lane for 5 seconds lol. Tariffs have been on and off again, increased and decreased so many times over the past few months. One day they're 25%, the next they're 50%, the next they don't exist, then the next it's no they're just delayed. This is insane. 

[Oac98]

On 3/30/2025 at 8:15 AM, OacRookie said:

When Canada retaliates against this what then? Ford is the #1 brand in Canada and the biggest export market for U.S cars. ~120k F-Series + other models is not an insignificant number.

 

Not to mention there are side letters agreed upon in the USMCA that were designed to specifically prevent something like this happening which he is clearly violating. 

 

If they go through with this USMCA is over. Why would Canada renegotiate any new trade deal at this point?

All of this bullshit is frustrating as hell. I’ll keep my comments to a minimum on the subject.

[akirby]

4 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

Holy shit can our country just pick a lane for 5 seconds lol. Tariffs have been on and off again, increased and decreased so many times over the past few months. One day they're 25%, the next they're 50%, the next they don't exist, then the next it's no they're just delayed. This is insane. 

It makes a lot more sense if you understand that it’s just a negotiating chip.  The tariffs will disappear when he gets concessions like more border security and commitments to build more vehicles in the U.S.

[DeluxeStang]

1 hour ago, akirby said:

It makes a lot more sense if you understand that it’s just a negotiating chip.  The tariffs will disappear when he gets concessions like more border security and commitments to build more vehicles in the U.S.

That's what I thought was gonna happen, but he claims they're permanent for the duration of his term this time around. 

[jpd80]

10 hours ago, akirby said:

I expect him to backpedal and say we’ll give the automakers 1-2 years to prepare.  He’s just trying to show them he’s willing to do it to get them to commit to more US manufacturing.  Which can’t be done overnight.

It sounds like Peter Navarro has convinced Trump that so much money will flow from Tariffs that it will force tax cuts……..is this all messaging or are they true believers?

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/peter-navarro-says-trump-tariffs-171715343.html

 

 

[Flying68]

The entire administration couldn't give a flying F about you or anyone else.  Tariffs are a direct tax on the middle class and poor and any tax benefit will only flow to the ultra wealthy.  Everything they are doing is to benefit themselves and their mega donors.  The sooner everyone realizes this the better they will be.  And to top it all off they are a bunch of idiots with practically zero economic ability.  Recessions benefit the wealthy as it depresses asset valuations allowing those with excess wealth to snap up those assets and reap the rewards of the post-recession expansion.  This isn't a negotiating tactic, DJT is just dumb.  He is going to kill off major industries and cost thousands of jobs across the US because he doesn't understand modern trade and commerce and how international trade is major component of our own domestic industries.  No country can survive in economic isolation.

[fuzzymoomoo]

14 hours ago, Oac98 said:

All of this bullshit is frustrating as hell. I’ll keep my comments to a minimum on the subject.

Please don’t, I actually want to hear what a real person thinks rather than what the media is spoonfeeding. 

Edited April 1 by fuzzymoomoo

[jpd80]

3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

Please don’t, I actually want to hear what a real person thinks rather than what the media is spoonfeeding. 

Oakville has changed plans several times in the last few years, the poor guy is watching his future turn to shit right before his eyes…

Edited April 1 by jpd80

[Trader 10]

8 hours ago, Flying68 said:

The entire administration couldn't give a flying F about you or anyone else.  Tariffs are a direct tax on the middle class and poor and any tax benefit will only flow to the ultra wealthy.  Everything they are doing is to benefit themselves and their mega donors.  The sooner everyone realizes this the better they will be.  And to top it all off they are a bunch of idiots with practically zero economic ability.  Recessions benefit the wealthy as it depresses asset valuations allowing those with excess wealth to snap up those assets and reap the rewards of the post-recession expansion.  This isn't a negotiating tactic, DJT is just dumb.  He is going to kill off major industries and cost thousands of jobs across the US because he doesn't understand modern trade and commerce and how international trade is major component of our own domestic industries.  No country can survive in economic isolation.

So you don’t think losing millions of manufacturing jobs to other countries the past 40 years hasn’t hurt the poor and middle class?