rmc523 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Sneak preview: the new Chevrolet Bolt It's a reskin of the outgoing model, but we'll see what changes on the tech side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 NACS port is standard. Hey Ford big shots, are you payin' attention? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 hours ago, rmc523 said: It's a reskin of the outgoing model, but we'll see what changes on the tech side. They should provide much faster charging speeds, at least in the 100~150 kW charging power range. Original Bolts were known for very slow charging. That’s probably no longer acceptable to many buyers IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) On 7/30/2025 at 7:50 AM, rmc523 said: Sneak preview: the new Chevrolet Bolt It's a reskin of the outgoing model, but we'll see what changes on the tech side. Not really a reskin... just new bumpers. It's a minimal update on the exterior but new batteries and as you noted, new NACS charge port. Edited August 8 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 Hypocritical GM To Follow Ford, Import CATL Batteries From China As Ford Authority reported back in June, Blue Oval Executive Chairman Bill Ford touched on a report that the company’s cross-town rival – General Motors – was behind lobbying efforts intended to place tougher rules on “foreign entities of concern,” as well as targeting licensing agreements such as the one The Blue Oval has in place with Chinese battery maker CATL. Ford is indeed licensing technology from CATL to build its own lithium-iron phosphate (LFP) batteries in Michigan, but now, GM is apparently playing the hypocrite by importing batteries from the same company from China, too. According to GM Authority, The General now plans to import LFP batteries from CATL “as a temporary stopgap measure” as the automaker works to build those types of batteries itself in Tennessee starting in 2027. “For several years, other U.S. automakers have depended on foreign suppliers for LFP battery sourcing and licensing. To stay competitive, GM will temporarily source these packs from similar suppliers to power our most affordable EV model,” the company said in a statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Hypocrite is damn right. Here's what Ol' Billy Boy said about GM's lobbying efforts to stall or slow down the opening of Ford BlueOval Battery Park Michigan: “We do know that others in our industry are trying to submarine it to hurt us,” Ford Executive Chairman Bill Ford said. “That’s just sour grapes, frankly.” Ford stopped short of naming names, but four people familiar with the matter told Automotive News affiliate Crain’s Detroit Business that GM is behind lobbying efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 12 Author Share Posted August 12 2027 Chevy Bolt EV Caught Testing Undisguised Yawn. That's what we're supposed to get excited about? It may have upgraded tech underneath, but they phoned it in design wise. Here's the outgoing model, for reference......so they added a bar in between the upper lights and reworked the "grille" a bit, and gave it some different lights and bumper out back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 9 hours ago, rmc523 said: Yawn. That's what we're supposed to get excited about? It may have upgraded tech underneath, but they phoned it in design wise. Yea, but anonymous blobs like that Chevy Bolt will find plenty of customers if the price is right. The big shots at GM said their EV business is goin' strong: GM became the industry’s #2 electric vehicle seller last year, and our EVs continue to grow faster than the industry, with sales up more than 100% in Q2. During the quarter, Chevrolet became the best-selling EV brand. Cadillac is the luxury EV market share leader in Q2, and had its best retail market share since 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 6 hours ago, morgan20 said: Yea, but anonymous blobs like that Chevy Bolt will find plenty of customers if the price is right. The big shots at GM said their EV business is goin' strong: GM became the industry’s #2 electric vehicle seller last year, and our EVs continue to grow faster than the industry, with sales up more than 100% in Q2. During the quarter, Chevrolet became the best-selling EV brand. Cadillac is the luxury EV market share leader in Q2, and had its best retail market share since 2014. When you have new/fresh product for sale it should sell well, but lets see how does after a couple of years on the market when other products are introduced that you compete against. Also going from 0 product to actually selling something isn't hard to show 100% increase either. I don't think there is much in the way of loyalty yet when it comes to EVs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 29 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: I don't think there is much in the way of loyalty yet when it comes to EVs Yea, I think brand loyalty might be iffy especially with some manufacturers like GM and Hyundai comin' out with lots of new or refreshed EV models. But loyalty to EVs as a category is strong, which has the potential to foster brand loyalty for the manufacturers who deliver good customer service and keep investing in their EV lineups. One of the big shots at J.D. Power, Brent Gruber, said this: Overall, 94% of BEV owners are likely to consider purchasing another BEV for their next vehicle, a rate that is also matched by first-time buyers. Manufacturers should take note of the strong consumer commitment to EVs as the high rate of repurchase intent offers the ability to generate brand loyal customers if the experience is a positive one. In fact, during the past several years, the BEV repurchase intent percentage has fluctuated very little, ranging between 94-97%. This year’s study also finds that only 12% of BEV owners are likely to consider replacing their EV with an internal combustion engine (ICE)-powered vehicle during their next purchase. “With five years of conducting this study and surveying thousands of EV owners, it’s apparent that once consumers enter the EV fold, they’re highly likely to remain committed to the technology,” Gruber said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 8 hours ago, morgan20 said: Yea, but anonymous blobs like that Chevy Bolt will find plenty of customers if the price is right. The big shots at GM said their EV business is goin' strong: GM became the industry’s #2 electric vehicle seller last year, and our EVs continue to grow faster than the industry, with sales up more than 100% in Q2. During the quarter, Chevrolet became the best-selling EV brand. Cadillac is the luxury EV market share leader in Q2, and had its best retail market share since 2014. They added like 5-6 models, naturally sales will go way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 8/13/2025 at 12:00 AM, morgan20 said: Yea, but anonymous blobs like that Chevy Bolt will find plenty of customers if the price is right. The big shots at GM said their EV business is goin' strong: Agree affordable price is a large part of success, but we should also not completely disregard that to environmental purist an electric car like Chevy Bolt helps protect climate much more so than driving a Silverado, Hummer, Cybertruck or Lightning. Obviously buyers are not going to cross shop large electric trucks against compact energy-efficient EVs, but that’s not the point. Point is that many EV buyers truly motivated by desire to save the planet may compromise on a “blob” if it means much greater energy efficiency. Lower cost doesn’t hurt either. 👍 Years ago many prospective buyers thought that if all EVs were zero emissions then their size and energy consumption didn’t matter at all (as they affect environment), but now most have learned that’s not the case at all in the real world. Buyers are also more aware of the impact EVs have on electric generation, transmission and distribution. These are all factors contributing to greater interests in smaller EVs, not just their lower prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 8 minutes ago, Rick73 said: Agree affordable price is a large part of success, but we should also not completely disregard that to environmental purist an electric car like Chevy Bolt helps protect climate much more so than driving a Silverado, Hummer, Cybertruck or Lightning. Obviously buyers are not going to cross shop large electric trucks against compact energy-efficient EVs, but that’s not the point. Point is that many EV buyers truly motivated by desire to save the planet may compromise on a “blob” if it means much greater energy efficiency. Lower cost doesn’t hurt either. 👍 Years ago many prospective buyers thought that if all EVs were zero emissions then their size and energy consumption didn’t matter at all (as they affect environment), but now most have learned that’s not the case at all in the real world. Buyers are also more aware of the impact EVs have on electric generation, transmission and distribution. These are all factors contributing to greater interests in smaller EVs, not just their lower prices. When it comes to volume car sales the top 5 most important things are price, price, price, styling and features. And this blob has no styling to write home about. Price is king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 3 minutes ago, akirby said: When it comes to volume car sales the top 5 most important things are price, price, price, styling and features. And this blob has no styling to write home about. Price is king. I don’t believe you can necessarily apply old rules to EVs because they are too different and attract a different type of buyer. Initially Tesla was successful based on exclusivity and performance, but that limits percentage of buyers. Even if EVs were at price parity today, I expect many buyers would still buy ICEV or HEV unless they truly wanted to do “their part” to save the planet. If a buyer doesn’t care about environment at all, why bother with an EV at all? Some might but many won’t. Granted we can’t know yet because we are not close to price parity yet. That’s not to say EVs don’t have some inherent advantages, but they also have disadvantages. EV proponents will sweep disadvantages under the rug, but that doesn’t make them any less real. One example is my son who loves his Tesla but just ordered a new ICEV to replace it, and Musk politics had nothing to do with him not wanting another Tesla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 For an appliance ev, it’s not bad. I think the updated front looks much better than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 3 hours ago, Rick73 said: I don’t believe you can necessarily apply old rules to EVs because they are too different and attract a different type of buyer. Not for early adopters but we’re way past that stage. The rules are the same within the group of potential buyers. Lots of people wanted cybertrucks and lightnings for $40k - but not for $60k+. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 12 hours ago, akirby said: Not for early adopters but we’re way past that stage. The rules are the same within the group of potential buyers. Lots of people wanted cybertrucks and lightnings for $40k - but not for $60k+. Sure, if you give people stuff for free they will take it — nothing new there. 😀 Seriously though, if you’re right and price, price, and price are the three most important things, Chevy should sell a ton of Bolts to buyers looking only at EVs. From everything I’ve read anticipated price should make it the most affordable EV when released, beating Nissan Leaf, Fiat 500e, etc. I expect Bolt may be as successful in USA as BYD’s Seagull is in other markets. I’ve always thought that mass adoption of electrification needed to start with small cheap city cars and haven’t seen any information to suggest that is still not what’s needed most. Not suggesting Bolt will outsell Civic, Corolla and similar affordable ICE and HEV vehicles, but it might do well for an EV if Chevy can keep price down well below $30k. Main concern I have is that Chevy may not offer a small-battery even cheaper variant but perhaps that may not save much money anyway, particularly if most buyers choose the larger battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 17 hours ago, Rick73 said: Agree affordable price is a large part of success, but we should also not completely disregard that to environmental purist an electric car like Chevy Bolt helps protect climate much more so than driving a Silverado, Hummer, Cybertruck or Lightning. Obviously buyers are not going to cross shop large electric trucks against compact energy-efficient EVs, but that’s not the point. Point is that many EV buyers truly motivated by desire to save the planet may compromise on a “blob” if it means much greater energy efficiency. Lower cost doesn’t hurt either. 👍 Years ago many prospective buyers thought that if all EVs were zero emissions then their size and energy consumption didn’t matter at all (as they affect environment), but now most have learned that’s not the case at all in the real world. Buyers are also more aware of the impact EVs have on electric generation, transmission and distribution. These are all factors contributing to greater interests in smaller EVs, not just their lower prices. People didn't really think this, and if they did, they're morons. 16 hours ago, Rick73 said: I don’t believe you can necessarily apply old rules to EVs because they are too different and attract a different type of buyer. Initially Tesla was successful based on exclusivity and performance, but that limits percentage of buyers. Even if EVs were at price parity today, I expect many buyers would still buy ICEV or HEV unless they truly wanted to do “their part” to save the planet. If a buyer doesn’t care about environment at all, why bother with an EV at all? Some might but many won’t. Granted we can’t know yet because we are not close to price parity yet. That’s not to say EVs don’t have some inherent advantages, but they also have disadvantages. EV proponents will sweep disadvantages under the rug, but that doesn’t make them any less real. One example is my son who loves his Tesla but just ordered a new ICEV to replace it, and Musk politics had nothing to do with him not wanting another Tesla. You literally said it above - performance, styling, exclusivity. EV doesn't have to mean "I want to save the planet" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 17 hours ago, Rick73 said: I don’t believe you can necessarily apply old rules to EVs because they are too different and attract a different type of buyer. Initially Tesla was successful based on exclusivity and performance, but that limits percentage of buyers. Even if EVs were at price parity today, I expect many buyers would still buy ICEV or HEV unless they truly wanted to do “their part” to save the planet. If a buyer doesn’t care about environment at all, why bother with an EV at all? Some might but many won’t. Granted we can’t know yet because we are not close to price parity yet. That’s not to say EVs don’t have some inherent advantages, but they also have disadvantages. EV proponents will sweep disadvantages under the rug, but that doesn’t make them any less real. One example is my son who loves his Tesla but just ordered a new ICEV to replace it, and Musk politics had nothing to do with him not wanting another Tesla. We didn't buy our Mach-E to save the planet, but I will say it's pretty cool when the sun is shining and the Mach-E is plugged in and I know we're pumping energy straight from the sun through the solar panels into the car. True zero emissions (if you don't take into account what it took to manufacture all the stuff needed to make it work). We bought the Mach-E because it's an absolute blast to drive, we never have to take it in for an oil change, never have to visit a gas station, and it's just an awesome car. Likely, the same reason most people buy an EV. My wife has stated her next vehicle will definitely be BEV, for all of the reasons listed above. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, rmc523 said: People didn't really think this, and if they did, they're morons. You literally said it above - performance, styling, exclusivity. EV doesn't have to mean "I want to save the planet" Yeah, but I was referring to a Tesla Model S, arguably the first modern EV to achieve widespread acceptance/adoption. People like my cousin who bought one of the first Model S not only loved its acceleration that exceeded a Mustang Mach I muscle car with 428 Cobra Jet, but also that it portrayed the right image as owner of his company. Having said that, ownership of budget-minded EVs like Chevy Bolt, the topic of this thread, is very different in my opinion. I think realistically Bolt is going to be more like Toyota Prius ownership 2.0. 😀 IMO Bolt buyers are probably not going to care as much about performance, styling, or exclusivity. For the most part those are attributes normally not expected in budget $30k vehicles anyway. Maybe styling to a degree, but definitely not exclusive. And I expect “performance” will be judged more by driving range for the cost than raw power and acceleration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 5 hours ago, Rick73 said: Yeah, but I was referring to a Tesla Model S, arguably the first modern EV to achieve widespread acceptance/adoption. People like my cousin who bought one of the first Model S not only loved its acceleration that exceeded a Mustang Mach I muscle car with 428 Cobra Jet, but also that it portrayed the right image as owner of his company. Having said that, ownership of budget-minded EVs like Chevy Bolt, the topic of this thread, is very different in my opinion. I think realistically Bolt is going to be more like Toyota Prius ownership 2.0. 😀 IMO Bolt buyers are probably not going to care as much about performance, styling, or exclusivity. For the most part those are attributes normally not expected in budget $30k vehicles anyway. Maybe styling to a degree, but definitely not exclusive. And I expect “performance” will be judged more by driving range for the cost than raw power and acceleration. Well, they also made a good looking EV, and not something that looked like a science project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Well, they also made a good looking EV, and not something that looked like a science project. Yeah, a Tesla S did not look like a science project, yet its coefficient of drag was and still is far lower than the Chevy Bolt’s Cd. It may not look it, but there was a lot of science that went into Model S. I don’t know if 2027 Bolt will be significantly more efficient aerodynamically than previous generation, but I doubt it will come close to a Tesla S, Model 3, or Y for that matter. And that has real-world implications. The Bolt is obviously intended more for city driving which means highway-speed efficiency isn’t likely as important, but its high drag was evident when Car and Driver tested at steady 75 MPH and got just under 3 miles per kWh. That’s not great for such a small car. Hopefully Chevy can reduce Cd on 2027 Bolt and also improve electrical efficiency to give it more real-world highway range. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a40199394/2022-chevrolet-bolt-euv-by-the-numbers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Update on new Bolt look without camouflage. Main question I have is whether lowest price trim option will compete with Nissan Leaf S which may start just above $25k plus destination. AFAIK GM have not indicated possibility of a lower-capacity battery option in order to reduce MSRP. Bolt is not bad at all IMO if at the right price. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/09/see-the-next-gen-2027-chevy-bolt-ev-in-gray-real-world-photos/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 More bad news on projected EV volume? Or could it be unrelated to demand? https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2025/09/08/general-motors-chevrolet-bolt-production-fairfax.html Quote In a blow to near-term employment hopes at KCK's Fairfax Assembly Plant, General Motors indefinitely delayed a second shift for Chevrolet Bolt EV production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Information is out on 2027 Bolt. Lowest cost BEV with price under Nissan Leaf. Bolt to start under $30k including delivery, and cheaper trim to follow, according to other sources with different details. Charging speed from 10-80% in 26 minutes is pretty good for the price. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-here-it-is-plus-all-the-juicy-details/ Quote The 2027 Chevy Bolt gets a new LFP GM Ultium battery with a 65 kWh capacity that can charge at 150 kW. This enables the new Bolt to go from 10-80 percent state of charge in 26 minutes – roughly three times faster than the last-gen model. As for range, GM estimates it to be 255 miles from a full charge, up slightly from the 247 miles on the Bolt EUV. Finally, the 2027 Chevy Bolt is the latest GM electric vehicle to gain the NACS charge port, meaning that it can access the Tesla Supercharger network. An adapter will be made available to use on CCS chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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