Biker16 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: Are they? using the Ranger as an example*: US Ranger XLT starting MSRP: $35,3751 Australian Ranger XLT Starting MSRP: $69000 AUD=$45230.88 USD South Africa Ranger XLT starting MSRP: R681500=$39536 USD UK Ranger Raptor (no XLT) starting MSRP £47,800=$63748.23 vs 56,070 MSRP * This isn't completely inclusive because the ROW Ranger has a Diesel vs Ecoboost in the US and the market variations in options/packages, but close enough to prove the point. Not to mention currency strength vs the US Dollar. Also some vehicles are going to be "cheaper" because the cost of living or earning levels are lower then in other countries also. Hilux Single Cab | Pick-Up | Toyota South Africa R371,700 including VAT Minus VAT Amount (@15%) = R313913.04 R313913.04 to USD = $18,221.62 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: its a lot easier to build say a national train system when your country is the size of say Washington State (Germany) vs one that needs to stretch over 2800 miles east to west and multiple time zone. 🤔 Edited October 27, 2025 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 1 hour ago, GearheadGrrrl said: Full size pickups sell well here because we're an unsophisticated market that equates size with value and social status. ROW looks at our full size pickups and cringes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 Yes, and regarding Bolt, it’s interesting that new tailgate opens so taller owners don’t bang their heads as easily. These are the kinds of improvements that make smaller vehicles more functional and practical to live with. Pictures show differences as well as previous tight access to rear seat. If I understand description correctly most of the added length of EUV (on which new 2027 Bolt is based) vs EV is at rear doors and seat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 1 hour ago, Rick73 said: Yes, and regarding Bolt, it’s interesting that new tailgate opens so taller owners don’t bang their heads as easily. These are the kinds of improvements that make smaller vehicles more functional and practical to live with. Pictures show differences as well as previous tight access to rear seat. If I understand description correctly most of the added length of EUV (on which new 2027 Bolt is based) vs EV is at rear doors and seat. Why are you comparing the outgoing Bolt (non EUV) to the new Bolt? For a fair comparison, you have to compare the EUV to the new Bolt, since it's just a refresh of the EUV, just dropping the EUV suffix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: Why are you comparing the outgoing Bolt (non EUV) to the new Bolt? For a fair comparison, you have to compare the EUV to the new Bolt, since it's just a refresh of the EUV, just dropping the EUV suffix. Because the Bolt EV had the greater head-banging issue. That and the point I was trying to make that designing vehicles larger is not the only way to make them more owner friendly. By the way, I didn’t link initial article but doing now. And yes, I know EUV was longer, and also that its tailgate opened higher. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-gets-redesigned-liftgate-so-you-no-longer-bang-your-head-on-it/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 28, 2025 Share Posted October 28, 2025 13 hours ago, Rick73 said: Because the Bolt EV had the greater head-banging issue. That and the point I was trying to make that designing vehicles larger is not the only way to make them more owner friendly. By the way, I didn’t link initial article but doing now. And yes, I know EUV was longer, and also that its tailgate opened higher. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-gets-redesigned-liftgate-so-you-no-longer-bang-your-head-on-it/ But you're comparing apples and oranges and acting like they deserve credit for massive design changes when you weren't starting with the equivalent (same) vehicle. Whatever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 28, 2025 Share Posted October 28, 2025 37 minutes ago, rmc523 said: But you're comparing apples and oranges and acting like they deserve credit for massive design changes when you weren't starting with the equivalent (same) vehicle. Whatever.... What? I didn’t give GM “credit for massive design changes”. I simply stated that small vehicles can be made better and more practical by paying attention to details. I realize this is a Ford forum and followed mostly by Ford fans, but there is no need to become so defensive when discussing other products from various manufacturers. It’s inevitable that other manufacturers will occasionally have better ideas and products and sticking to a rigid party line doesn’t help. And to be clear and transparent, yes, I like what I’ve seen so far on Bolt given its price. IMO it meets a need Ford doesn’t cover at all. Having said that I’ve only owned one Chevy and it had a lot of problems so never went back; however, if buying an EV, Bolt would be on short list to evaluate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Attached is the 2027 Chevy Bolt order guide if anyone here cares... 2027 Bolt Order Guide.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 9, 2025 Share Posted November 9, 2025 Long Before The Chevy Bolt, GM Built An Electric Egg On Wheels Interesting and entertaining short article that highlights how long GM has been working on BEVs, in this case much before EV1. The featured miniature car concept looks a lot like an electrified BMW Isetta knockoff, at least in principle. GM combined the Isetta’s front door with a canopy to make it look cooler, though I’m not sure if easier to enter and exit without banging your head. BEVs sure have come a long ways in last 55 years or so. Too bad engineers of that time did not have lithium batteries to work with. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/the-2027-chevy-bolt-could-do-with-some-of-the-gm-512es-pac-man-weirdness/ P.S. — Before some of you get defensive, yes, I’m quite aware Ford had similar projects that date even further back. I’ve posted pictures of incredibly tiny Ford BEVs before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted November 9, 2025 Share Posted November 9, 2025 7 hours ago, Rick73 said: Long Before The Chevy Bolt, GM Built An Electric Egg On Wheels Interesting and entertaining short article that highlights how long GM has been working on BEVs, in this case much before EV1. The featured miniature car concept looks a lot like an electrified BMW Isetta knockoff, at least in principle. GM combined the Isetta’s front door with a canopy to make it look cooler, though I’m not sure if easier to enter and exit without banging your head. BEVs sure have come a long ways in last 55 years or so. Too bad engineers of that time did not have lithium batteries to work with. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/the-2027-chevy-bolt-could-do-with-some-of-the-gm-512es-pac-man-weirdness/ P.S. — Before some of you get defensive, yes, I’m quite aware Ford had similar projects that date even further back. I’ve posted pictures of incredibly tiny Ford BEVs before. Here's a good Sunday morning read: https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/116-years-before-the-mach-e-henry-ford-built-this-barebones-battery-powered-model-t/ Below: great grandson of the Mustang Mach-e: 1914 Henry Ford prototype electric vehicle Fred Allison, electrical engineer who designed the car's electric motor is at the tiller.: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 And the Bolt is dead again...LOL This Is When 2027 Chevrolet Bolt Production Will End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: This Is When 2027 Chevrolet Bolt Production Will End That was the plan all along. One of the big shots at GM said the following back in summer 2025 when 2027 Chevy Bolt product details were first announced: “After production ended, we heard our customer’s feedback and their love for this product. So the Bolt is coming back—by popular demand and better than ever—for a limited time. This is a celebration of what Bolt means to our customers and to Chevrolet. It’s your chance to own a popular EV that’s affordable. So, if you’ve been waiting, this is the moment. Don’t miss it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 More Details on GM's Plans for the next Bolt GM Quietly Plots A Family Of Low-Cost EVs After New Bolt | Carscoops Quote GM president Mark Reuss confirmed that they are working on multiple affordable EVs to sit next to the new Bolt GM developing lithium manganese-rich batteries promising greater range. 2027 Chevrolet Bolt debuts with 65 kWh LFP battery and 150 kW charging. Reuss confirms multiple affordable EVs planned under a low-priced lineup The long-awaited 2027 Chevrolet Bolt arrived earlier this month, carrying a host of mechanical upgrades while retaining a shape that feels immediately recognizable. Only time ans sales will tell if this new model proves to be a success, but GM is eager to follow it up with several other affordable EVs. Evidently, it has the confidence that demand for cheap electric cars will rise. What’s Coming Next? While recently speaking about the company’s future plans, GM president Mark Reuss said a family of new EVs is on the cards, but he kept many important details close to his chest. Read: New Chevy Bolt Is Back But Costs Thousands More Than The Leaf “What comes after this, whether it’s called a Bolt or not, will be a family of things that is low-priced,” Reuss told InsideEVs. “And when I say family, they won’t be adopted. They’ll be in the same vein of size and price.” What this likely means is that some of these models will probably be Bolt-based, while others will be distinct models, likely similar in size and price to the Bolt. According to Reuss, some of these models will slot into “white spaces” across the industry. “I also think there’s some white spaces in size, class, of forms—not only the Bolt that we just introduced but also some different things, for different people’s styled tastes,” he noted. Bolt Tech The new Bolt is underpinned by a 65 kWh lithium-ion phosphate battery pack, offering up 255 miles (410 km) of driving range in standard guise. The new battery also supports 150 kW DC fast charging, a big increase from the 50 kW of the old model. Future affordable EVs from GM could be offered with the same battery. Reuss noted that their new EVs will use different cell technology from old models, potentially indicating the wider adoption of LFP batteries like the Bolt. GM is also known to be developing lithium manganese-rich batteries that are expected to launch in 2028. These new batteries promise improved range and higher energy density than LFP cells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 12 hours ago, Biker16 said: More Details on GM's Plans for the next Bolt GM Quietly Plots A Family Of Low-Cost EVs After New Bolt | Carscoops Thanks for that info my friend. It's good stuff, but I think Ford's CE1 products, Universal Electric Vehicle Platform, and Universal Electric Vehicle Production System has GM beat when it comes to family of low-cost EVs. GM big shots like Mark Reuss and Mary Barra can huff and puff all they want about family of things that is low priced, but if their company wants to be successful in that area, they'll need to develop an entire ecosystem. Ford's already doin' it. Edited January 24 by morgan20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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