Sherminator98 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 https://insideevs.com/news/775172/2027-chevrolet-bolt-range-price-revealed/ Meh not impressed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 11 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: https://insideevs.com/news/775172/2027-chevrolet-bolt-range-price-revealed/ Meh not impressed at all. I mean it's the cheapest electric vehicle in United States. And will be available soon, or other companies seem to promise inexpensive electric vehicles GM is delivering. I don't know what your expectations were? On a side note, I find it amazing that General Motors can move tooling for an existing product from one factory to another factory yet Ford seems to be completely incapable of doing this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 The Equinox EV is a much better deal in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 3 minutes ago, Biker16 said: I mean it's the cheapest electric vehicle in United States. And will be available soon, or other companies seem to promise inexpensive electric vehicles GM is delivering. I don't know what your expectations were? I really had no expectations, but the range is a bit disappointing, but certain someone has been claiming that this will sell like gangbusters because its cheap, but yet it is still significantly compromised in range for the vast majority of users. figuring the vast majority of the time you'd only charge to 80%, so you'd only have 204 miles of actual range and then possibly lose another 20 to 40 miles due to cold weather and your looking at worst case of 163 miles of range if I'm doing my math right. Even with my commute of 28 miles to and from work, I'd like to have closer to 200 miles no matter what as a buffer. The only plus I see is the charging issues have been addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 It'll do alright as a second or third car for empty nesters and suburban commuters, IMO. All the speculation ant talk of simpler, cheaper giga casting and more efficient & cheaper batteries with dramatically faster refresh rates has the public expecting $30K midsize suvs that charge in 10 minutes or less. BEVs will be limited to urban slogging until A: affordable 700+mile range or B: safe, 7 minute recharging for 300 mile range regardless of total capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 Just now, Motorpsychology said: It'll do alright as a second or third car for empty nesters and suburban commuters, IMO. All the speculation ant talk of simpler, cheaper giga casting and more efficient & cheaper batteries with dramatically faster refresh rates has the public expecting $30K midsize suvs that charge in 10 minutes or less. BEVs will be limited to urban slogging until A: affordable 700+mile range or B: safe, 7 minute recharging for 300 mile range regardless of total capacity. Expecting 700 mile range out of an EV when the vast majority of ICE vehicles only go 300-400 miles per tank is a bit disingenuous. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: Expecting 700 mile range out of an EV when the vast majority of ICE vehicles only go 300-400 miles per tank is a bit disingenuous. My hybrid Maverick will go 500-600 miles between fillups as a matter of routine.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, twintornados said: My hybrid Maverick will go 500-600 miles between fillups as a matter of routine.... I guess I drive gas guzzlers then-according to Google average is 400-600 miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 39 minutes ago, Biker16 said: I mean it's the cheapest electric vehicle in United States. And will be available soon, or other companies seem to promise inexpensive electric vehicles GM is delivering. I don't know what your expectations were? On a side note, I find it amazing that General Motors can move tooling for an existing product from one factory to another factory yet Ford seems to be completely incapable of doing this. Because Ford runs on a shoestring capacity and doesn't have room anywhere to do this with how they've currently organized things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Because Ford runs on a shoestring capacity and doesn't have room anywhere to do this with how they've currently organized things. That's interesting cuz I swear Flat Rock is way under capacity, along with the Mach E plant in Mexico, the plant in Canada that was supposed to get that super expensive electric vehicle. Let's not forget Wayne Assembly plant which sits next to Michigan assembly plant which has been idled since 2011. Ford has the capacity. They just don't have the will to find solutions to product assembly challenges. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Motorpsychology said: It'll do alright as a second or third car for empty nesters and suburban commuters, IMO. All the speculation ant talk of simpler, cheaper giga casting and more efficient & cheaper batteries with dramatically faster refresh rates has thmile00e public expecting $30K midsize suvs that charge in 10 minutes or less. BEVs will be limited to urban slogging until A: affordable 700+mile range or B: safe, 7 minute recharging for 300 mile range regardless of total capacity. I don't think this is accurate. The limiting issue in a 700 mile range vehicle is the human driving it. You you have to stop. You can't drive for 12 hours without eating or using the restroom, It's not healthy. The automakers have done tons of research on this and generally the public can accept an EV that can charge near 80% in less than 30 minutes. Because 30 minutes is the time most people take to use the restroom and eat. When the bolt was released 10 years ago, the range of 250 mi was extraordinary for the time because it met the needs of the majority of people who drive. The majority of people who take road trips aren't doing it once a week. Making it more expensive vehicle just to fulfill the needs of some marginal user is counterproductive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: Expecting 700 mile range out of an EV when the vast majority of ICE vehicles only go 300-400 miles per tank is a bit disingenuous. "Or" is the differentiator. For "A," it is not inconceivable for someone to drive 700 miles in a day; not nonstop, of course. But that range would allow for a couple quicker stops without charging than one of an hour or more at 3-400 mi to charge enough to complete such a trip. Or "B" is the most practical and similar to what ICE drivers can accomplish, but I see very small, incremental progress for A or B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 2 hours ago, Biker16 said: Let's not forget Wayne Assembly plant which sits next to Michigan assembly plant which has been idled since 2011. Ford has the capacity. They just don't have the will to find solutions to product assembly challenges. Wanye Assembly looks like it got turned into a stamping plant and is attached to MAP in other places going by Satellite photos on Google maps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Flat Rock isn’t viable without a major renovation - which was planned but scrapped a few years ago along with the new plant in Mexico. Not sure why they won’t expand Cuautitlan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Range of only 255 miles is a bit disappointing given 65 kWh battery capacity which makes it just under 4 miles per kWh. That’s worse than previous Tesla Model 3 which got 273 miles from 60 kWh, with only +/- 57.5 kWh of that useable. It shows in real terms how important efficiency is, especially aerodynamics. Anyway, charging rate of over 410 miler per hour is what Bolt needed most. While likely still best for city and urban driving it should not be too bad to take on short road trips once in a while. Traveling from Houston to Dallas, Austin, or San Antonio for example should only require one short charging stop. Will be interesting how sales compare to new Nissan Leaf. They’re quite different but in similar price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 For what it’s worth, just saw a spec comparison between 2027 Bolt and 2026 Leaf. Quote https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-vs-2026-nissan-leaf-spec-comparison/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 16 hours ago, rmc523 said: Because Ford runs on a shoestring capacity and doesn't have room anywhere to do this with how they've currently organized things. Having zero flexibility in your production capacity is poor management as far as I’m concerned. I swear Ford is always in crisis mode. You can never make the same mistake twice, because the second time you make it, it's not a mistake; it's a choice, and they have repeatedly made choices that have affected their ability to produce vehicles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, Biker16 said: That's interesting cuz I swear Flat Rock is way under capacity, along with the Mach E plant in Mexico, the plant in Canada that was supposed to get that super expensive electric vehicle. Let's not forget Wayne Assembly plant which sits next to Michigan assembly plant which has been idled since 2011. Ford has the capacity. They just don't have the will to find solutions to product assembly challenges. Flat Rock can't produce the crossover shapes/heights that Ford wants. Oakville (the "Canada" plant you're referring to) is set to produce Super Duty. I'd agree that the Mach E plant has to be under capacity. But I'd question the ability for it to produce both ICE and BEV on the same line. I can't speak to Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 6 hours ago, tbone said: Having zero flexibility in your production capacity is poor management as far as I’m concerned. I swear Ford is always in crisis mode. You can never make the same mistake twice, because the second time you make it, it's not a mistake; it's a choice, and they have repeatedly made choices that have affected their ability to produce vehicles. Oh I totally agree. Ford backs themselves in a corner constantly and then gets stuck with only two options - 1) sticking with a questionable plan, or 2) pausing everything and starting over, causing years-long delays in product cadence. And they seem to go with option 2 over and over. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 Well, GM discontinued Bolt in 2023, then did a mild revamp of it and returns it to market in 2027 with a refreshed front and rear end and no one bats an eye...if Ford did this, everyone would go berserk!! The only reason why that did not happen in the case of the Bolt is that no one was watching for it here on BON.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, twintornados said: Well, GM discontinued Bolt in 2023, then did a mild revamp of it and returns it to market in 2027 with a refreshed front and rear end and no one bats an eye...if Ford did this, everyone would go berserk!! The only reason why that did not happen in the case of the Bolt is that no one was watching for it here on BON.... I was critical of this approach in this thread: there are reports that GM is working on a true 2nd gen version and this is just a stopgap measure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 The Bolt appears to be mostly about providing basic electric transportation at the lowest practical cost, and for that it seems more than adequate IMO. However, while reading to learn what was actually changed or upgraded from 2023 Model, saw an interesting statement suggesting GM may not have plans to keep Bolt long term: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a68988402/2027-chevy-bolt-revealed/ Quote Strangely, however, Chevy is referring to the 2027 Bolt as a "limited-run vehicle." Still, it seems production capacity will not be capped, with Chevy stating that "Bolt and Equinox EV are expected to account for most of Chevrolet’s 2026 EV volume." Yet the company also states that "we moved quickly to retain the nameplate in our portfolio for a little longer," suggesting that the revised Bolt may not last more than a couple of model years. The Bolt is back, but it may not be back for long. Wonder if this is just a marketing ploy to increase initial demand, or if there is any substance to report. Would make little sense to reengineer Bolt to then discontinue after a couple of years. Car and Driver did quote GM correctly though: https://news.gm.com/home.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2025/oct/1009-2027-Chevrolet-Bolt.html Quote Bolt will offer the most range in an EV under $30,000. It will begin shipping to customers early next year and will be a limited run model. Bolt joins the Chevrolet Equinox EV, currently one of the market’s best-selling EVs, solidifying Chevy's position in the affordable EV segment. Together, Bolt and Equinox EV are expected to account for most of Chevrolet’s 2026 EV volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 What was strange back then? Was it was the best-selling non-tesla EV in the United States before it was discontinued?. And was a reasonably good seller back then. The new one should pick up where the old one left off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 https://youtu.be/CPtx-Ox9Pxc?si=BZBaHO9ny8RXrADR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 41 minutes ago, Biker16 said: What was strange back then? Was it was the best-selling non-tesla EV in the United States before it was discontinued?. And was a reasonably good seller back then. The new one should pick up where the old one left off. As far as I know, the main issues Bolt had were very slow charging rate and batteries that occasionally overheated and caught fire, requiring GM to replace. Even then I’m not certain if GM upgraded cooling system or if they detuned capabilities to reduce risks. I would have to research more but since not interested in a used BEV I haven’t taken the time. Obviously some people don’t like its small size, but after seeing the TFL video you linked, interior space is even less of a concern for me now. I’m probably about half the weight of that reviewer and he had enough room. I’d have to test for comfort but space should not be an issue for vast majority of individuals if mostly looking to get from point A to B. Video showed there might be enough room under cargo area to add a spare tire. That’s something I’d want to carry with me, and would like to see added as an option. Given that Bolt sold relatively well in spite of its charging and battery issues, I expect this new version will also do well, at least compared to other BEVs. Being affordable will no doubt help, but also that some people actually prefer compact exterior dimensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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