Biker16 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: Are they? using the Ranger as an example*: US Ranger XLT starting MSRP: $35,3751 Australian Ranger XLT Starting MSRP: $69000 AUD=$45230.88 USD South Africa Ranger XLT starting MSRP: R681500=$39536 USD UK Ranger Raptor (no XLT) starting MSRP £47,800=$63748.23 vs 56,070 MSRP * This isn't completely inclusive because the ROW Ranger has a Diesel vs Ecoboost in the US and the market variations in options/packages, but close enough to prove the point. Not to mention currency strength vs the US Dollar. Also some vehicles are going to be "cheaper" because the cost of living or earning levels are lower then in other countries also. Hilux Single Cab | Pick-Up | Toyota South Africa R371,700 including VAT Minus VAT Amount (@15%) = R313913.04 R313913.04 to USD = $18,221.62 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: its a lot easier to build say a national train system when your country is the size of say Washington State (Germany) vs one that needs to stretch over 2800 miles east to west and multiple time zone. 🤔 Edited October 27, 2025 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 1 hour ago, GearheadGrrrl said: Full size pickups sell well here because we're an unsophisticated market that equates size with value and social status. ROW looks at our full size pickups and cringes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 Yes, and regarding Bolt, it’s interesting that new tailgate opens so taller owners don’t bang their heads as easily. These are the kinds of improvements that make smaller vehicles more functional and practical to live with. Pictures show differences as well as previous tight access to rear seat. If I understand description correctly most of the added length of EUV (on which new 2027 Bolt is based) vs EV is at rear doors and seat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 1 hour ago, Rick73 said: Yes, and regarding Bolt, it’s interesting that new tailgate opens so taller owners don’t bang their heads as easily. These are the kinds of improvements that make smaller vehicles more functional and practical to live with. Pictures show differences as well as previous tight access to rear seat. If I understand description correctly most of the added length of EUV (on which new 2027 Bolt is based) vs EV is at rear doors and seat. Why are you comparing the outgoing Bolt (non EUV) to the new Bolt? For a fair comparison, you have to compare the EUV to the new Bolt, since it's just a refresh of the EUV, just dropping the EUV suffix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 27, 2025 Share Posted October 27, 2025 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: Why are you comparing the outgoing Bolt (non EUV) to the new Bolt? For a fair comparison, you have to compare the EUV to the new Bolt, since it's just a refresh of the EUV, just dropping the EUV suffix. Because the Bolt EV had the greater head-banging issue. That and the point I was trying to make that designing vehicles larger is not the only way to make them more owner friendly. By the way, I didn’t link initial article but doing now. And yes, I know EUV was longer, and also that its tailgate opened higher. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-gets-redesigned-liftgate-so-you-no-longer-bang-your-head-on-it/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 28, 2025 Share Posted October 28, 2025 13 hours ago, Rick73 said: Because the Bolt EV had the greater head-banging issue. That and the point I was trying to make that designing vehicles larger is not the only way to make them more owner friendly. By the way, I didn’t link initial article but doing now. And yes, I know EUV was longer, and also that its tailgate opened higher. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2025/10/2027-chevy-bolt-gets-redesigned-liftgate-so-you-no-longer-bang-your-head-on-it/ But you're comparing apples and oranges and acting like they deserve credit for massive design changes when you weren't starting with the equivalent (same) vehicle. Whatever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted October 28, 2025 Share Posted October 28, 2025 37 minutes ago, rmc523 said: But you're comparing apples and oranges and acting like they deserve credit for massive design changes when you weren't starting with the equivalent (same) vehicle. Whatever.... What? I didn’t give GM “credit for massive design changes”. I simply stated that small vehicles can be made better and more practical by paying attention to details. I realize this is a Ford forum and followed mostly by Ford fans, but there is no need to become so defensive when discussing other products from various manufacturers. It’s inevitable that other manufacturers will occasionally have better ideas and products and sticking to a rigid party line doesn’t help. And to be clear and transparent, yes, I like what I’ve seen so far on Bolt given its price. IMO it meets a need Ford doesn’t cover at all. Having said that I’ve only owned one Chevy and it had a lot of problems so never went back; however, if buying an EV, Bolt would be on short list to evaluate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Attached is the 2027 Chevy Bolt order guide if anyone here cares... 2027 Bolt Order Guide.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted November 9, 2025 Share Posted November 9, 2025 Long Before The Chevy Bolt, GM Built An Electric Egg On Wheels Interesting and entertaining short article that highlights how long GM has been working on BEVs, in this case much before EV1. The featured miniature car concept looks a lot like an electrified BMW Isetta knockoff, at least in principle. GM combined the Isetta’s front door with a canopy to make it look cooler, though I’m not sure if easier to enter and exit without banging your head. BEVs sure have come a long ways in last 55 years or so. Too bad engineers of that time did not have lithium batteries to work with. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/the-2027-chevy-bolt-could-do-with-some-of-the-gm-512es-pac-man-weirdness/ P.S. — Before some of you get defensive, yes, I’m quite aware Ford had similar projects that date even further back. I’ve posted pictures of incredibly tiny Ford BEVs before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted November 9, 2025 Share Posted November 9, 2025 7 hours ago, Rick73 said: Long Before The Chevy Bolt, GM Built An Electric Egg On Wheels Interesting and entertaining short article that highlights how long GM has been working on BEVs, in this case much before EV1. The featured miniature car concept looks a lot like an electrified BMW Isetta knockoff, at least in principle. GM combined the Isetta’s front door with a canopy to make it look cooler, though I’m not sure if easier to enter and exit without banging your head. BEVs sure have come a long ways in last 55 years or so. Too bad engineers of that time did not have lithium batteries to work with. https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/the-2027-chevy-bolt-could-do-with-some-of-the-gm-512es-pac-man-weirdness/ P.S. — Before some of you get defensive, yes, I’m quite aware Ford had similar projects that date even further back. I’ve posted pictures of incredibly tiny Ford BEVs before. Here's a good Sunday morning read: https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/116-years-before-the-mach-e-henry-ford-built-this-barebones-battery-powered-model-t/ Below: great grandson of the Mustang Mach-e: 1914 Henry Ford prototype electric vehicle Fred Allison, electrical engineer who designed the car's electric motor is at the tiller.: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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