fordmantpw Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, akirby said: Remember you're talking to a guy that said the 2025 Expedition would flop because they didn't change the side profile or body line. For 2025 Expedition sales were actually up 10%. Yeah, and he has been pretty vocal about his displeasure with Ford as of late (for some if it, I get), which is why my first responses probably sounded harsh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2026 at 9:03 AM, akirby said: Remember you're talking to a guy that said the 2025 Expedition would flop because they didn't change the side profile or body line. For 2025 Expedition sales were actually up 10%. I’m not sure what you are trying to insinuate, but I don’t like people to speak for me, so unless I missed something in another thread, this is actually what I said: “Sorry, throwing some 24’s, a new grill, and interior on the Expedition isn’t going to move the needle in this segment. Im a firm believer that all sheet metal has to change to get people’s attention. This situation strikes me as the potential for another Fusion moment as others have mentioned. Hopefully these are just test models, and are not indicative of what is to come. It’s a failure with me, a potential buyer who buys two new vehicles approximately every three years. I will not consider it if it does not look completely new. We will be way past the mid cycle refresh date at that point. Will they sell them, of course, but I don’t believe they will challenge the market leader. They won’t continue to build off the successful relaunch of the Expedition, IMO. If they are content with the status quo sales wise, I suppose you could say that is a success for them. Im just not sure why you want to follow the likes of the Armada/QX market participants instead of the market leaders. If I recall correctly, you and I have debated this subject matter as related to the Fusion, so it is likely we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. It’s hard to feel optimistic about the 2025 Expedition and perhaps the Navigator. The fact that this is referred to as a refresh in this article is disturbing, however not terribly surprising considering it’s pretty evident that there’s a lot of carryover sheet-metal, in particular on the sides of the vehicle. I want to give it the benefit of the doubt, but a heavily revised interior would not be sufficient to get me to buy a new Expy, when it originally debuted in 2018. It would have to be joined by substantial exterior changes.” You can interpret that as me saying it would be a flop if you want, but that isn’t what I said. I do want Ford to succeed, including the Expedition, but Im also not an apologist that accepts everything they do as gold. I would be shocked if you had nothing to say if Porsche detuned your Boxter prior to your purchase and didn’t advise you as such. I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on at this point. Perhaps this power change started after my build date. I don’t think it’s too much to ask to want to know what you purchased. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2026 at 7:16 AM, fordmantpw said: If the decrease is indeed due to the added GPF (which I imagine it is), you can likely look underneath and if you have a GPF, know you've got 385. If not, you've got 400. The 99 Cobra came to mind when you mentioned that, but that's a whole different ballgame. Yes, it's the same concept, but it's meant for all-out performance, where the Explorer is not. I see your point, but I'm pretty sure in the Ford literature it says (in fine print none-the-less) that specifications are subject to change. It sucks, mostly in principle, but at the end of the day, it's minor compared to most of the cost cutting Ford is doing (and this isn't a cost-cutting or de-contenting issue, it's trying to keep up with emissions). You won't notice 15 less HP, but you'll damn sure notice that missing Homelink opener on the visor, or the now-gone keypad on the door. Based on what I’m seeing, it is likely the GPF that is causing it the power drop. Do you know what to look for underneath, as I don’t? Btw, you weren’t too harsh. It’s ok to have an opinion about the situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, tbone said: I would be shocked if you had nothing to say if Porsche detuned your Boxter prior to your purchase and didn’t advise you as such. I would if it made a noticeable difference in actual performance vs just a different number on paper. Torque is unchanged so it's unlikely there would be any noticeable performance difference in street driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/15/2026 at 12:53 AM, tbone said: Based on what I’m seeing, it is likely the GPF that is causing it the power drop. Do you know what to look for underneath, as I don’t? Btw, you weren’t too harsh. It’s ok to have an opinion about the situation. I honestly don't know what it looks like, I was thinking just look for an extra device in addition to the CAT and muffler. I know what a DPF looks like on a diesel and it's a big, round, long tube, but I haven't seen a GPF on a gasser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Standard instrument cluster in XL and STX F-150 was decontented for 2026 model year: For comparison, here is the standard instrument cluster for 2025 model year XL and STX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 26 minutes ago, morgan20 said: Standard instrument cluster in XL and STX F-150 was decontented for 2026 model year: That's what my 2018 xlt looks like. Seems appropriate as a base version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 hours ago, akirby said: That's what my 2018 xlt looks like. Seems appropriate as a base version. Agreed. That’s what it should have been from launch IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 8 hours ago, morgan20 said: Standard instrument cluster in XL and STX F-150 was decontented for 2026 model year: For comparison, here is the standard instrument cluster for 2025 model year XL and STX: This is one case where it actually makes some sense. It's surprising they gave the base model the same screen. Lowering some content in a base model is one thing....when they drop it from all models is another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 hours ago, akirby said: That's what my 2018 xlt looks like. Seems appropriate as a base version. 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Agreed. That’s what it should have been from launch IMO. 9 minutes ago, rmc523 said: This is one case where it actually makes some sense. It's surprising they gave the base model the same screen. Yea, all of F-150's competitors (Silverado, Sierra, Ram 1500, Tundra) use different instrument cluster designs for the base models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schpark Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The decontented version has a transmission temp gauge and the older "upscale" version does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, Schpark said: The decontented version has a transmission temp gauge and the older "upscale" version does not. Most likely a digital configuration option 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, akirby said: Most likely a digital configuration option Yea, exactly. Here's what the F-150 owner's manual says: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Am I the only one that likes the de-contented 2026 version better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Texasota said: Am I the only one that likes the de-contented 2026 version better? Negative. The upgraded gauges are nice but too sparse IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I just got a new 2026 Ford Ranger Raptor and to my surprise I learned today that the '24 and '25 had signal lights on the mirrors. Mine? Like a magic trick... Deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, 2005Explorer said: I just got a new 2026 Ford Ranger Raptor and to my surprise I learned today that the '24 and '25 had signal lights on the mirrors. Mine? Like a magic trick... Deleted. Yea, good catch 2005Explorer. The dealer order guides confirm this. 2025: 2026: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 10 hours ago, morgan20 said: Yea, good catch 2005Explorer. The dealer order guides confirm this. 2025: 2026: I feel like side turn signals (whether mirror or body mounted) should be required, as they're useful when someone starts turning into you in a blind spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 hours ago, rmc523 said: I feel like side turn signals (whether mirror or body mounted) should be required, as they're useful when someone starts turning into you in a blind spot. Only if they use them....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 44 minutes ago, akirby said: Only if they use them....... We’re talking about Ford drivers, not BMW drivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 hours ago, rmc523 said: I feel like side turn signals (whether mirror or body mounted) should be required, as they're useful when someone starts turning into you in a blind spot. 7 hours ago, akirby said: Only if they use them....... PSA from Indiana State Police: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I love the idiots who wait until they get into the turn only lane then turn on their blinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, akirby said: I love the idiots who wait until they get into the turn only lane then turn on their blinker. If I'm going to be first in line at a light, in the right lane, I'll look in the mirror to see if the person behind me has their turn signal on, and if possible, I'll move over a lane to allow them to make a right turn on red. When they don't bother to turn their turn signal on until the last moment, I almost want to get out and walk back there, and explain to them that they can now wait,,,,,,, HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: If I'm going to be first in line at a light, in the right lane, I'll look in the mirror to see if the person behind me has their turn signal on, and if possible, I'll move over a lane to allow them to make a right turn on red. When they don't bother to turn their turn signal on until the last moment, I almost want to get out and walk back there, and explain to them that they can now wait,,,,,,, HRG When leaving our local starbucks I turn left at the light (no turn arrows). The oncoming traffic (Single lane) usually turns left to go to the interstate but sometimes goes straight to Starbucks and QuikTrip. I would say 75% of the time the left turner doesn't use their blinker to tell me they're going left so we just sit there and stare at each other while I scream at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 46 minutes ago, akirby said: When leaving our local starbucks I turn left at the light (no turn arrows). The oncoming traffic (Single lane) usually turns left to go to the interstate but sometimes goes straight to Starbucks and QuikTrip. I would say 75% of the time the left turner doesn't use their blinker to tell me they're going left so we just sit there and stare at each other while I scream at them. Does that scene look something like this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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