We Gave Maverick a Mustang Turbo Transplant — You're Going to Love It

[akirby]

59 minutes ago, blazerdude20 said:

I agree generally that desire for power from the general public is overstated, especially if it costs a decent amount more.  But, I think a lot more people want their vehicle to give the appearance of being super capable in the sporty or rugged realms. If you can build a package that is a little quicker but looks more aggressive, you can definitely build in a higher retail price. That’s where an ST comes in. 
 

Almost no one is tracking an Explorer ST, but they sell a bunch of them. I’d bet there is a decent market for a Maverick ST. 

Edge STs sold very well and people actually drove them fast.  Lots of folks opted for the 2.7 Turbo in the Nautilus.  You don’t have to track something to appreciate more power.

[DeluxeStang]

6 hours ago, Rick73 said:

I don’t see it as a minor change at all.  Increasing boost pressure to get 150 HP per liter in a truck that “may” be used for towing raises a lot of questions.  Is it covered 100% under warranty?  If not, how many owners will likely take risk of voiding coverage.  And if Ford offers full warranty because they feel it’s “bulletproof” then I think warranty costs will go up significantly.  Granted it’s meant to be a street truck but will Ford limit some guy from towing a 4,000-pound trailer uphill at stupid speeds made possible by 300 HP?

 

Honestly, I’d have to know a lot more details than what has been disclosed here.  On the surface selling it as an additional trim or factory option with full factory warranty sounds like a bad idea.  Maverick is first and foremost a truck and not a sports car, and some owners may want to use its capabilities accordingly so doesn’t seem a minor change to me.  Regardless, it’s adding significant stress to vehicle components.
 

 

 

The general consensus within the maverick community is the hybrid is the one to get if you want bulletproof reliability. Pretty much the only selling point the Ecoboost has, especially now that the hybrid can come with AWD, is that additional power. So I can see some maverick owners who are power crazy opting for this package without much thought about long term reliability. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this has a beefier transmission to handle the additional power, but even beefed up, the 8 speed is very iffy longevity wise compared to the hybrids e-cvt. I think a package like this only serves to call attention to the unique strengths of both powertrains. If you want a hot rod, the maverick can be one, and if you want a really reliable, efficient truck, the maverick can also be one, it's all about priorities. 

[Rick73]

8 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

Not everyone wants a shoebox/econobox.  If Ford can make money offering both, why not?

For roughly half a century Ford has been indoctrinating everyone that their trucks are Built Ford Tough, or some version of that claim.  Ford’s truck reputation still has value that deserves protection.  Anyway, I’m sure they will price the kit/upgrade at a profitable cost/margin, but the underlying risk is that if these engines or any part of powertrain start to crater under high loads and other abuse, the damage they could cost Ford’s reputation may exceed the profits they could make on whatever number of these kits they end up selling.

 

By the way, we shouldn’t ignore Ford’s comment about benefiting from added transmission cooling, hence recommendation to go with 4K tow package.  It’s just one sign of higher demand on entire system.

[Sherminator98]

21 hours ago, Rick73 said:

I don’t see it as a minor change at all.  Increasing boost pressure to get 150 HP per liter in a truck that “may” be used for towing raises a lot of questions.  Is it covered 100% under warranty?  If not, how many owners will likely take risk of voiding coverage.  And if Ford offers full warranty because they feel it’s “bulletproof” then I think warranty costs will go up significantly.  Granted it’s meant to be a street truck but will Ford limit some guy from towing a 4,000-pound trailer uphill at stupid speeds made possible by 300 HP?

 

The engine is being used in the Mustang and Bronco and in the Bronco case, weighs considerably more then a Maverick. 

The transmission might be a limiting factor, but Ford is suggesting to get the towing package to help with that, but if someone is abusing it, of course its not going to be covered by a warranty. 

[Sherminator98]

15 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

I wouldn't be surprised if this has a beefier transmission to handle the additional power, but even beefed up, the 8 speed is very iffy longevity wise compared to the hybrids e-cvt. I think a package like this only serves to call attention to the unique strengths of both powertrains. If you want a hot rod, the maverick can be one, and if you want a really reliable, efficient truck, the maverick can also be one, it's all about priorities. 

 

They are using a 7 speed variant in the Lobo and I also think that the 6F (and its derivates) transmission issues are a bit overstated...you have a large body of products that use them, so its going to seem like your gonna have more problems with them

 

I made it to 100K with my SHO with a 6F55 transmission with an aftermarket tune and never had an transmission issue. My wife's Escape 6F had an issue but didn't require any major work to be done to it and lasted till 120K or so before getting traded in. 

[akirby]

1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

The engine is being used in the Mustang and Bronco and in the Bronco case, weighs considerably more than a Maverick. 
 

This is for the 2.0 not the 2.3.  Bit it’s also the new generation and Ford wouldn’t do this unless they were sure the powertrain could handle the output.  The transmission was used with the 350 hp 2.7 so no issues there.