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15 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

I wonder how that is going to work with importing the Bronco Sport replacement from Spain? Wouldn’t be affected by chicken tax or even a 10-15% Tarriff? 

 

I believe the chicken tax is only for trucks/commercial......remember when Ford tried to skirt around it with Transit Connect by shipping them in with rear seats (making it a passenger vehicle) that they'd then remove to sell the work van?

 

11 hours ago, akirby said:

This makes the Louisville situation a lot clearer.  

 

Eh......sort of.......seems more reactionary than a plan.

 

8 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Just my two cents, 

ROW designed Bronco Sport that meets both US design rules as well as EU design standards,

can also be made in LHD and RHD, something the US never planned for its version of BS.

 

As mentioned in the article the ROW version includes PHEV which is probably tricky to retro fit to US BS.

Lots to like if they can pull it off, it also means that costs can be spread across more markets.

 

That's a great point about RHD being baked into this.....opens up sending them down under too, where I think it'd be a great offering.

 

BS is set for a redesign regardless, so PHEV wouldn't have been retrofitted to ours at this point anyway.

 

Definitely a good idea to take BS global, IMO.

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8 minutes ago, akirby said:


It means they had a plan to replace Escape at least 18 months ago and explains why they didn’t look to move ce1 elsewhere.

 

With how often Ford changes plans, who knows....

 

6 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:

So I guess the plan going forward is this:

New Bronco Sport from Spain

 

New CUV based on the Maverick that will be larger-Maybe an Edge replacement?

 

Maverick based Van

 

But wasn't there also rumors of another CUV Bronco product coming in 2029 to NA?

 

 

 

I'm guessing the Maverick SUV will be somewhere between Escape and Edge.

 

I don't remember the 2029 Bronco CUV rumor.

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5 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

 

Here you go:
 

A new C2 Hybrid only SUV appears to have been approved but won’t arrive until 2029 for MY30. This will be a sister to the next Bronco Sport.

 

At first glance, I'm still thinking this is the Maverick SUV.  Doesn't make sense for them to be adding CE1 SUV, next-gen Bronco Sport, Maverick CUV, AND another C2 hybrid only SUV.

 

Thinking about it more, I suppose it's possible, as Maverick SUV could be an Escape replacement, with this other C2 hybrid only model being an Edge replacement, but I'm skeptical.

 

The hang up is the "sister" phrasing - does that mean another Bronco product, or just closely related to BS without the name?

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14 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

At first glance, I'm still thinking this is the Maverick SUV.  Doesn't make sense for them to be adding CE1 SUV, next-gen Bronco Sport, Maverick CUV, AND another C2 hybrid only SUV.

 

Thinking about it more, I suppose it's possible, as Maverick SUV could be an Escape replacement, with this other C2 hybrid only model being an Edge replacement, but I'm skeptical.

 

The hang up is the "sister" phrasing - does that mean another Bronco product, or just closely related to BS without the name?

 

I'm assuming the Maverick SUV is the Bronco Sport sister product.

 

The Maverick is quite a bit longer then the Bronco Sport and the Escape. The Transit Connect is either 173.9 inches (SWB)/(LWB): Approximately 189.7 to 190 inches...since there apparently a Va n coming too.

 

I can see the Maverick based SUV being a Edge/Escape replacement that has Bronco type styling? It would avoid it being a commodity product that Ford has been railing about. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

I'm assuming the Maverick SUV is the Bronco Sport sister product.

 

The Maverick is quite a bit longer then the Bronco Sport and the Escape. The Transit Connect is either 173.9 inches (SWB)/(LWB): Approximately 189.7 to 190 inches...since there apparently a Va n coming too.

 

I can see the Maverick based SUV being a Edge/Escape replacement that has Bronco type styling? It would avoid it being a commodity product that Ford has been railing about. 

 

 

Sounds like Flex styling lol.

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4 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

At first glance, I'm still thinking this is the Maverick SUV.  Doesn't make sense for them to be adding CE1 SUV, next-gen Bronco Sport, Maverick CUV, AND another C2 hybrid only SUV.

 

Thinking about it more, I suppose it's possible, as Maverick SUV could be an Escape replacement, with this other C2 hybrid only model being an Edge replacement, but I'm skeptical.

 

The hang up is the "sister" phrasing - does that mean another Bronco product, or just closely related to BS without the name?

The rumours for CE1 was mid sized pickup first, then Utility (Tesla Y product space?) and a van for Ford pro

but I wonder if the order is different, still maybe one vehicle launched per year?

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47 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

The rumours for CE1 was mid sized pickup first, then Utility (Tesla Y product space?) and a van for Ford pro

but I wonder if the order is different, still maybe one vehicle launched per year?

 

I think there are two tracks - EV and ICE.

 

EV:

CE1 truck

CE1 CUV

 

ICE:

next-gen BS

Maverick SUV

 

Do we know for sure if the van is ICE or EV?  Wasn't it also Maverick based, which would mean ICE/hybrid?

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This is just my guess:

 

Compact short: Bronco Sport will be produced in Spain and sold globally.

 

Compact mid: Kuga will continue for now but it should eventually switch to CE1. I think Ford will abandon the MEB sooner rather than later.

 

Compact long: Maverick based CUV is most likely going to be paired with Territory as Ford will probably come up with one design for both. 

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5 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

I think there are two tracks - EV and ICE.

 

EV:

CE1 truck

CE1 CUV

 

ICE:

next-gen BS

Maverick SUV

 

Do we know for sure if the van is ICE or EV?  Wasn't it also Maverick based, which would mean ICE/hybrid?

Makes me wonder is Ford  being deliberately ambiguous by not clarifying product?

 

CE1 had three vehicles at yearly intervals,

the new electric platform’s flexibility would seem to be muddying the water on products, next 12 months will be really interesting 

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15 hours ago, bzcat said:

This is just my guess:

 

Compact short: Bronco Sport will be produced in Spain and sold globally.

 

Compact mid: Kuga will continue for now but it should eventually switch to CE1. I think Ford will abandon the MEB sooner rather than later.

 

Compact long: Maverick based CUV is most likely going to be paired with Territory as Ford will probably come up with one design for both. 

If it will be produced in Spain, it will most likely only be sold in Europe and maybe some select markets like Australia where it will be overpriced. Lol
Asia-Pacific markets will need one built in a regional plant. It's a bonus too if it had a version that isn't a plug-in, a lower-priced full hybrid is probably better.

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5 hours ago, AM222 said:

If it will be produced in Spain, it will most likely only be sold in Europe and maybe some select markets like Australia where it will be overpriced. Lol
Asia-Pacific markets will need one built in a regional plant. It's a bonus too if it had a version that isn't a plug-in, a lower-priced full hybrid is probably better.

 

The rumor is that it'll be built in Spain and shipped to the US (and Europe).

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17 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

The rumor is that it'll be built in Spain and shipped to the US (and Europe).

 

Interesting if it will be shipped in as a "car" since right now, BS is considered a "truck" and if it continues that way, the Chicken Tax will hit it....unless of course, it comes in as an "incomplete" vehicle....one way around it would be to ship all NA without the hybrid battery and make/install it here in NA to complete it. If my memory of how the Chicken Tax works is correct. 

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15 minutes ago, twintornados said:

 

Interesting if it will be shipped in as a "car" since right now, BS is considered a "truck" and if it continues that way, the Chicken Tax will hit it....unless of course, it comes in as an "incomplete" vehicle....one way around it would be to ship all NA without the hybrid battery and make/install it here in NA to complete it. If my memory of how the Chicken Tax works is correct. 


Only applies to cargo vans and light trucks not passenger vehicles.  

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10 minutes ago, twintornados said:

 

Interesting if it will be shipped in as a "car" since right now, BS is considered a "truck" and if it continues that way, the Chicken Tax will hit it....unless of course, it comes in as an "incomplete" vehicle....one way around it would be to ship all NA without the hybrid battery and make/install it here in NA to complete it. If my memory of how the Chicken Tax works is correct. 


That is the EPA CAFE classification, not how it is imported. That is the reason Ford got into trouble with the Transit Connect-they brought them over as passenger vans then ripped out the seats. 

The Bronco Sport would be either a wagon or crossover, which I believe aren't impacted by that.

 

Also the tariff rates for importing ANY car unless you have a special deal (UK and South Korea for now) is 25%. I'm guessing their is some work arounds to that (I've saw that Ford is using a Bonded shipper?) to help mitigate the tariff issues. 

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Avoid importation?

I have a feeling that the Bronco Sport made at Valencia will be for Europe and ROW markets only

and that a US evolution of that vehicle gets built at Hermosillo as a second generation Bronco Sport.


Thinking about the new Bronco Sport length vs Escape:

Current Bronco Sport length 172”

Current Ecape Length 178”

 

First generation boxy Escape length 173”

2005-2007  boxy Escape Length 174.9”

2nd Gen boxy Escape length 174.7”

 

thinking logically, a new Bronco Sport that’s 175”-176” long is still technically shorter than the latest Escape

but would probably work much better at convincing Escape buyers to try it…exactly what Ford wants.

 

 

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15 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Avoid importation?

I have a feeling that the Bronco Sport made at Valencia will be for Europe and ROW markets only

and that a US evolution of that vehicle gets built at Hermosillo as a second generation Bronco Sport.

 

Well here lies the issue-adding a van and another product to Hermosillo will seriously limit how many Bronco Sports they can make. 

 

So there are lots of factors at play here-looking at this holistically from just the North American perspective:

 

Louisville shutting down-no more Escape and Corsair imported from China to hold it over for the time being.

 

CE1 production starting with a pickup like vehicle that is slightly larger then the Maverick and smaller then the Ranger in 2027. Some sort of EV CUV a year later

 

Bronco Sport-next gen production in 2027 in Spain. 

 

C2 PHEV CUV starting production in 2029 or so at Hermosillo-Escape/Edge replacement or what?

 

Maverick based van to replace Transit Connect in NA market-when?

 

The CE1 pickup and CUV might impact Maverick sales and the CUV might be an Escape replacement? If demand for the Maverick goes down, that would be filled by the van and C2 PHEV

 

The big elephant in the room is does Ford still make BOC an EV plant going forward? How soft are EV sales going to be till say 2032?

 

 

 

 

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Specification Corolla Cross RAV4
Length 4,460 mm → 175.6 in 4,600 mm → 181.1 in
Width 1,825 mm → 71.9 in 1,855 mm → 73.0 in
Height 1,620 mm → 63.8 in 1,685 mm → 66.3 in
Wheelbase 2,640 mm → 103.9 in 2,690 mm → 105.9 in
Ground Clearance 160 mm → 6.3 in 190 mm → 7.5 in


 

It's not that difficult... Ford needs 2 different size compact CUV. A short one and a long one. That's the competitive landscape.

 

~4.4 meters/175 inches: Bronco Sport vs. Corolla Cross, HR-V, Crosstrek, CX-30, Trailblazer, Encore GX, Taos, Qashqai, 3008, Karoq, Compass, Grandland, C5 Aircross, Austral

 

~4.6 meters/180 inches: Escape/Kuga/Territory vs. RAV4, CR-V, Forester, CX-50, Equinox, Envision, Tiguan, Rogue/X-Trails, 5008, Kodiaq, Cherokee, 5008, Espace

 

The fact that Bronco Sport was North America only and come exclusively with AWD was just a product planning mistake. It works for the US market and is a very well presented product but it should have been rolled out to other markets. Same with Maverick. 

 

Who knows what Ford is really planning on doing next gen but it is very obvious why it's market share is plummeting in Europe, China, and few other markets. A brand that is known for SUVs does not have enough SUV for sale... How to fix it is also very obvious.

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14 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:

 

Well here lies the issue-adding a van and another product to Hermosillo will seriously limit how many Bronco Sports they can make. 

 

So there are lots of factors at play here-looking at this holistically from just the North American perspective:

 

Louisville shutting down-no more Escape and Corsair imported from China to hold it over for the time being.

 

CE1 production starting with a pickup like vehicle that is slightly larger then the Maverick and smaller then the Ranger in 2027. Some sort of EV CUV a year later

 

Bronco Sport-next gen production in 2027 in Spain. 

 

C2 PHEV CUV starting production in 2029 or so at Hermosillo-Escape/Edge replacement or what?

 

Maverick based van to replace Transit Connect in NA market-when?

 

The CE1 pickup and CUV might impact Maverick sales and the CUV might be an Escape replacement? If demand for the Maverick goes down, that would be filled by the van and C2 PHEV

 

The big elephant in the room is does Ford still make BOC an EV plant going forward? How soft are EV sales going to be till say 2032?

 

Don’t be thinking the current production limit is a true hard point.

 

During the Fusion / MkZ days, Hermosillo was punching out well over 300,000 annually

and Louisville achieved 430,000 in one year thanks to upgrades for Corsair production

 

Smallish runs of something like vans could be set up  and run on super saturdays 

where they are run through in batches so as to not disrupt regular production.

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7 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Don’t be thinking the current production limit is a true hard point.

 

During the Fusion / MkZ days, Hermosillo was punching out well over 300,000 annually

and Louisville achieved 430,000 in one year thanks to upgrades for Corsair production

 

I wasn't worried about Louisville-I was worried about Hermosillo

 

Just looking at current production numbers:

They sold roughly 125K Bronco Sports and 130K Mavericks. Then add in another 30-50K Maverick van sales AND another C2 based PHEV CUV that would sell anywhere from 125-140K units alone, they might have issues with capacity. 

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