AM222 Posted December 8, 2025 Share Posted December 8, 2025 (edited) 13 hours ago, bzcat said: Specification Corolla Cross RAV4 Length 4,460 mm → 175.6 in 4,600 mm → 181.1 in Width 1,825 mm → 71.9 in 1,855 mm → 73.0 in Height 1,620 mm → 63.8 in 1,685 mm → 66.3 in Wheelbase 2,640 mm → 103.9 in 2,690 mm → 105.9 in Ground Clearance 160 mm → 6.3 in 190 mm → 7.5 in It's not that difficult... Ford needs 2 different size compact CUV. A short one and a long one. That's the competitive landscape. ~4.4 meters/175 inches: Bronco Sport vs. Corolla Cross, HR-V, Crosstrek, CX-30, Trailblazer, Encore GX, Taos, Qashqai, 3008, Karoq, Compass, Grandland, C5 Aircross, Austral ~4.6 meters/180 inches: Escape/Kuga/Territory vs. RAV4, CR-V, Forester, CX-50, Equinox, Envision, Tiguan, Rogue/X-Trails, 5008, Kodiaq, Cherokee, 5008, Espace The fact that Bronco Sport was North America only and come exclusively with AWD was just a product planning mistake. It works for the US market and is a very well presented product but it should have been rolled out to other markets. Same with Maverick. Who knows what Ford is really planning on doing next gen but it is very obvious why it's market share is plummeting in Europe, China, and few other markets. A brand that is known for SUVs does not have enough SUV for sale... How to fix it is also very obvious. Ford went from thinking globally with its One Ford like its successful rivals (Toyota for example) but suddenly went regional. When the EcoSport was killed off, it was given a replacement in North America (Maverick pickup), but not in Asia, where it was a more important model in the lineup. This is one of the examples why Ford's sales and market share has shrunk in many other markets. Look the RAV4 and Corolla Cross; both are global models, while the Bronco Sport and Escape/Kuga aren't. To add to that, Ford has the Chinese-built Territory it sells in some Asian markets, South Africa, and South America, it is not related to the Escape. Ford likes to develop vehicles and only sell them in limited markets even though they belong to mainstream size segments that are common globally. Edited December 8, 2025 by AM222 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2025 Share Posted December 8, 2025 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: I wasn't worried about Louisville-I was worried about Hermosillo Just looking at current production numbers: They sold roughly 125K Bronco Sports and 130K Mavericks. Then add in another 30-50K Maverick van sales AND another C2 based PHEV CUV that would sell anywhere from 125-140K units alone, they might have issues with capacity. Hermosillo can do 350K and it's already been reported that the new Bronco Sport will be imported from Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 8, 2025 Share Posted December 8, 2025 1 hour ago, akirby said: Hermosillo can do 350K and it's already been reported that the new Bronco Sport will be imported from Spain. JPD seemed to indicate that the BS would still be at Hermosillo The question of the hour is how does Ford mitigate the tariff issues that importing the BS from Spain would cause. They are currently using Bonded carriers for Canada and Mexico https://fordauthority.com/2025/05/ford-sidesteps-trump-tariffs-with-bonded-carrier-pivot/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 8, 2025 Author Share Posted December 8, 2025 2 hours ago, AM222 said: Ford went from thinking globally with its One Ford like its successful rivals (Toyota for example) but suddenly went regional. When the EcoSport was killed off, it was given a replacement in North America (Maverick pickup), but not in Asia, where it was a more important model in the lineup. This is one of the examples why Ford's sales and market share has shrunk in many other markets. Look the RAV4 and Corolla Cross; both are global models, while the Bronco Sport and Escape/Kuga aren't. To add to that, Ford has the Chinese-built Territory it sells in some Asian markets, South Africa, and South America, it is not related to the Escape. Ford likes to develop vehicles and only sell them in limited markets even though they belong to mainstream size segments that are common globally. Yeah, the One Ford plan was good - pare down to a solid global platform with a few core global models (i.e. Focus, Escape/Kuga etc)......I think those should've remained global mainstays with additional regional-specific models added around those models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 9, 2025 Share Posted December 9, 2025 Quote A New Ford Bronco Is Coming—But Only for Europe Ford is planning to grow the Bronco name with a new plug-in-hybrid model destined for Europe. https://www.motor1.com/news/780721/ford-bronco-phev-europe/ The Ford Bronco lineup is growing once again. With the standard Bronco and Bronco Sport already available in the US—as well as the Bronco EV available exclusively in China—the Blue Oval will soon introduce a new Bronco plug-in hybrid. Unfortunately for American buyers, this one won’t be sold in the United States. According to Automotive News Europe, Ford will debut a new compact SUV in 2027 that carries the "Bronco" name. This model, though, will be smaller than the current Kuga (aka, the Escape in the US) and entirely different from the Broncos sold stateside. It will also be built at Ford’s Valencia plant in Spain, where the Kuga is currently produced. Positioned between the Puma and the Kuga, the new SUV is expected to feature a modern design that caters to Europe’s growing demand for "urban" off-roaders. It will launch with a plug-in hybrid powertrain, though reports suggest Ford is planning a broader "multi-energy" approach. For now, there’s no indication that a fully electric version is in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 9, 2025 Author Share Posted December 9, 2025 7 hours ago, jpd80 said: I'm still skeptical. It cold be "completely different" because it's a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2025 Share Posted December 9, 2025 I still believe this is the new Bronco sport and it will be exported here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 9, 2025 Share Posted December 9, 2025 15 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I'm still skeptical. It cold be "completely different" because it's a new one. Yeah I agree, it makes zero sense to make two different products that are almost identical to one another for two different markets. Plus it more or less lines up when the Bronco Sport should get a major refreshing...it will be on the market for 7-8 years with just a minor refresh done in 2025. The Kuga has been in production since 2019 also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 9, 2025 Author Share Posted December 9, 2025 4 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: Yeah I agree, it makes zero sense to make two different products that are almost identical to one another for two different markets. Plus it more or less lines up when the Bronco Sport should get a major refreshing...it will be on the market for 7-8 years with just a minor refresh done in 2025. The Kuga has been in production since 2019 also. Then again, it's Ford, so they very well could create 2 models nearly identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2025 Share Posted December 9, 2025 54 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Then again, it's Ford, so they very well could create 2 models nearly identical. 'What makes me believe it is the plan to add a new c utility to Hermosillo. It makes perfect sense given the Louisville situation. Then again Ford doesn't always make sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 9, 2025 Share Posted December 9, 2025 (edited) Maybe Ford is being a little vague/ misleading here until it gets a clearer picture on USMCA and tariffs on European products. Ford hoping that by 2027-2028 everything to do with tariff rates will be set. Edited December 9, 2025 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM222 Posted December 11, 2025 Share Posted December 11, 2025 (edited) On 12/10/2025 at 3:09 AM, jpd80 said: Maybe Ford is being a little vague/ misleading here until it gets a clearer picture on USMCA and tariffs on European products. Ford hoping that by 2027-2028 everything to do with tariff rates will be set. If it will be a Bronco, it must be premium since Ford treats it like a Mustang, a premium iconic sub-brand. Now look at Kia and its upcoming subcompact Seltos. That is how they treat their mainstream subcompact crossover. Far from boring. I 100% think this is an interesting design for a mainstream model, far more interesting than the mainstream Escape which belongs to the higher compact segment. Edited December 11, 2025 by AM222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 11, 2025 Author Share Posted December 11, 2025 3 hours ago, AM222 said: If it will be a Bronco, it must be premium since Ford treats it like a Mustang, a premium iconic sub-brand. Now look at Kia and its upcoming subcompact Seltos. That is how they treat their mainstream subcompact crossover. Far from boring. I 100% think this is an interesting design for a mainstream model, far more interesting than the mainstream Escape which belongs to the higher compact segment. Agreed - they did a good job with the new Seltos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 11, 2025 Share Posted December 11, 2025 (edited) 10 hours ago, AM222 said: If it will be a Bronco, it must be premium since Ford treats it like a Mustang, a premium iconic sub-brand. Now look at Kia and its upcoming subcompact Seltos. That is how they treat their mainstream subcompact crossover. Far from boring. I 100% think this is an interesting design for a mainstream model, far more interesting than the mainstream Escape which belongs to the higher compact segment. Yes and Kia could have picked any of those front end styles for the Tasman pickup but instead went with the most excruciatingly awful fronts you will ever see. Buyers are running away from the sight of it. Edited December 11, 2025 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted December 11, 2025 Share Posted December 11, 2025 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Yes and Kia could have picked any of those front end styles for the Tasman pickup but instead went with the most excruciatingly awful fronts you will ever see. Buyers are running away from the sight of it. It's one of those designs that makes you question how that person even got hired as a designer in the first place. If Kia had given it the same front end as the telluride, with flared fenders and rugged off-road tires, it would have been a great looking pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 11, 2025 Author Share Posted December 11, 2025 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Yes and Kia could have picked any of those front end styles for the Tasman pickup but instead went with the most excruciatingly awful fronts you will ever see. Buyers are running away from the sight of it. Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with that Tasman. It makes me think of one of those Angry Birds green pigs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 (edited) I think the concept they released after the production model looks much better. It fixed a lot of the complaints. This is a design that really only looks good jacked up with beefy tires.with that said, the design we see on the seltos and ev9 would definitely look better. Edited December 12, 2025 by T-dubz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 The black plastic flairs look terrible on it...the body colored ones from the concept look so much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 (edited) It looks to me like they had The Lego Group design it. Distinctive is good, fugly not so much. Kia designers are playing too many warcraft video games, but maybe that's also true of their intended market. Edited December 12, 2025 by Motorpsychology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 13, 2025 Author Share Posted December 13, 2025 On 12/11/2025 at 8:05 PM, T-dubz said: I think the concept they released after the production model looks much better. It fixed a lot of the complaints. This is a design that really only looks good jacked up with beefy tires.with that said, the design we see on the seltos and ev9 would definitely look better. I don’t see a single redeeming quality about this design. The door handles themselves look ok I guess? lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM222 Posted December 21, 2025 Share Posted December 21, 2025 (edited) On 12/11/2025 at 9:52 PM, rmc523 said: Agreed - they did a good job with the new Seltos. Yes, they seem to exist in an alternate universe from Ford where they still build vehicles in segments Ford abandoned. This is the Kia K4 (formerly known as the Forte), its predecessors competed in the same segment as the Ford Focus. The upcoming compact Ford Bronco PHEV better be a Euro version of the next Bronco Sport. If it isn't, Ford will just be building multiple redundant vehicles. Edited December 21, 2025 by AM222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted December 21, 2025 Share Posted December 21, 2025 3 minutes ago, AM222 said: Yes, they seem to exist in an alternate universe from Ford where they still build vehicles in segments Ford abandoned. This is the Kia K4 (formerly known as the Forte), its predecessors competed in the same segment as the Ford Focus. Kia K4 sales are down this year even compared to K4/Forte sales last year and Kia overall hitting record sales in the US in 2025. Kia used to have two compact cars between the Forte/Cerato and the Ceed. The global compact market is so bad that the K4 has replaced both. Why should Ford invest in a dying market with little return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM222 Posted December 21, 2025 Share Posted December 21, 2025 17 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Kia K4 sales are down this year even compared to K4/Forte sales last year and Kia overall hitting record sales in the US in 2025. Kia used to have two compact cars between the Forte/Cerato and the Ceed. The global compact market is so bad that the K4 has replaced both. Why should Ford invest in a dying market with little return? Ford invested on new models that are doing much worse (VW-based Explorer EV and Capri EV) than the models they killed off like the Fiesta and Focus. Kia did a smart move by merging two similar sized models. Ford's problem is it is reverting back to its pre-One Ford self. Developing regional models even if they belong to segments common globally. The Bronco Sport could have been a hit in Asia-Pacific if Ford utilized its plants in Thailand, but it didn't. The Ford Puma belongs to the subcompact CUV segment that is common globally, particularly in rest of the world markets outside of the USA and Canada, but it chooses to mainly build it and sell it in Europe (with attempts to export it to a few markets where it ended up being overpriced because it was imported from Europe.) Ford probably spent as much as Toyota when they developed the current Escape and the outgoing Rav4. In 2024 Toyota's RAV4 outsold the Escape+Kuga around 3.6 to 1. Basically, Toyota maximizes its profits through global economies of scale with its global Rav4 compared to Ford which relies heavily on USA, Canada, UK, Germany, and Denmark for Escape and Kuga sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 21, 2025 Share Posted December 21, 2025 The changes that Ford made to Escape didn’t work and actually hurt sales when their intent was to encourage Focus buyers to switch. Switching to C2 was an obvious good move but Ford really messed up with what customers want, perhaps that was intentional to make room for the chunkier styled Bronco Sport. The problem was that markets outside of North America paid the price for those styling decision as Europe and ROW never got part B of the plan, the Bronco Sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted December 22, 2025 Share Posted December 22, 2025 5 hours ago, AM222 said: Ford invested on new models that are doing much worse (VW-based Explorer EV and Capri EV) than the models they killed off like the Fiesta and Focus. Ford probably spent as much as Toyota when they developed the current Escape and the outgoing Rav4. In 2024 Toyota's RAV4 outsold the Escape+Kuga around 3.6 to 1. Basically, Toyota maximizes its profits through global economies of scale with its global Rav4 compared to Ford which relies heavily on USA, Canada, UK, Germany, and Denmark for Escape and Kuga sales. They where killed off due to expected changes in the EU market place with EVs and Hatchbacks and Sedans being a dying market there like the USA. The Kuga was developed as a higher end vehicle for the EU market and it struggled in the USA with pricing concerns for the past 15 years or so till the 2020 model came out, if then. I think the issue is that Ford was trying to make it work but it didn't work world wide. I don't think the RAV4 is a particularly luxurious vehicle at all say a higher end Escape. The newer C2 products (at least in North America) with the Bronco Sport and Maverick have seemed to fixed this issue, but I'm also guessing what was learned with CE1 will help improve it even more in the future. Ford's cheaper vehicles desperately needed a reboot to address issues with cost in various markets and I'm guessing that is why some CN based products are being related on in more cost sensitives markets like South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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