morgan20 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: Not to say Ford is any better, but there are issues with them. No automaker will ever produce 100% trouble free vehicles 100% of the time. Acknowledging that, for long term dependability among compact unibody blobs, CR-V and RAV4 are the best choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/7/2026 at 6:39 AM, rmc523 said: I'm aware. Competitors have entrants in the segment, though. Well, competitors HAD entrants in the segment. All of them have abandoned it also due to CAFE footprint rule. Puma is quite small B-segment size. The comparable size B-segment CUV in the US market have all died or had its nameplated grated on to a bigger model in a different segment: Mini Countryman, Hyundai Kona, Honda HR-V, Nissan Kicks, and Chevy Trax moved from B to C segment size Mazda CX-3 discontinued and replaced by CX-30 which is C segment Toyota CH-R discontinued and replaced by Corolla Cross which is C segment Mitsubishi Outlander Sport discontinued and replaced by Eclipse Cross which is C segment Buick Encore discontinued and replaced by Encore GX which is C segment Kia Soul discontinued Ford EcoSport discontinued 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 14 hours ago, bzcat said: Well, competitors HAD entrants in the segment. All of them have abandoned it also due to CAFE footprint rule. Puma is quite small B-segment size. The comparable size B-segment CUV in the US market have all died or had its nameplated grated on to a bigger model in a different segment: Mini Countryman, Hyundai Kona, Honda HR-V, Nissan Kicks, and Chevy Trax moved from B to C segment size Mazda CX-3 discontinued and replaced by CX-30 which is C segment Toyota CH-R discontinued and replaced by Corolla Cross which is C segment Mitsubishi Outlander Sport discontinued and replaced by Eclipse Cross which is C segment Buick Encore discontinued and replaced by Encore GX which is C segment Kia Soul discontinued Ford EcoSport discontinued Quite correct and as an example, Ecosport was last sold in 2022 with price range of $22K to $28K…… Today that would probably be $26K to $32K which is Compact prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 hours ago, morgan20 said: No automaker will ever produce 100% trouble free vehicles 100% of the time. Acknowledging that, for long term dependability among compact unibody blobs, CR-V and RAV4 are the best choices. Per JD Power Toyota has 162 problems per 100 vehicles in the first 3 years for 2022 models. That's more than 1.5 per vehicle. Ford is at 2 per vehicle (tied with Honda). That means 1 or 2 dealer visits for both. Toyota's quality is not what it used to be and others have improved dramatically. There isn't much difference outside of the top 2 and bottom 2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 1/6/2026 at 6:36 AM, Sherminator98 said: Why because it is an EV? Given the info that is coming out about the CE1 pickup, it will have no issues what-so-ever being able to be modified into a 180-190in long CUV Yes, because it’s an EV. I’ll happily admit being wrong, but I don’t think I will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 1/8/2026 at 11:41 AM, rmc523 said: Well, Chevy just sold 200k Traxes (just over your 175" length at 178.6" length) and 100k Trailblazers (174" length).... perhaps it has something to do with those vehicles being relatively attractive and affordable. I’m guessing 3% profit on 200,000 vehicles wouldn’t be acceptable for Ford though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 29 minutes ago, tbone said: perhaps it has something to do with those vehicles being relatively attractive and affordable. I’m guessing 3% profit on 200,000 vehicles wouldn’t be acceptable for Ford though. IIRC they are built in South Korea, so I'm going to assume that GM was making more then that (well before Tariffs) with it. I'd do admit I really like the higher end Trailblazers with the contrasting tops on them. I think they are best looking Chevy that GM has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/9/2026 at 10:38 PM, tbone said: perhaps it has something to do with those vehicles being relatively attractive and affordable. I’m guessing 3% profit on 200,000 vehicles wouldn’t be acceptable for Ford though. They dumped Heavy Truck because it "only" made 4% profit.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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