rmc523 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/13/2026 at 10:42 AM, akirby said: Exactly. Done on the cheap by using existing F150 with T3 planned as the ground up EV truck. I don't think it was a mistake in that context. I think the mistake was overestimating actual demand. Agreed. On 3/14/2026 at 5:22 PM, twintornados said: Count me in as one of those looking forward to CE1 - My commute has changed since I retired and I believe an EV will be my next daily driver and the CE1 truck seems like a natural progression from my Maverick hybrid.... ADD ON: Seeing the roll out of Rivian's R2 SUV, it would be right up my alley, but...being Ford centric, I will reserve judgement until CE1 comes to market. Yeah, the R2 looks like a good product. On 3/14/2026 at 6:25 PM, jpd80 said: R2 looks like a restyled version of the Lincoln that Ford was considering a few years back.. It would be wise for Ford to style its CE1 as both a BEV Bronco and an upmarket Land Rover styled Lincoln… I was under the impression that product was larger, a flagship type product? On 3/14/2026 at 6:44 PM, 02MustangGT said: “I Would’ve Done The F-150 Lightning Differently” …then why didn’t he? After all, he is the CEO of Ford Motor Company. Admitting mistakes is one thing, but repeating mistakes time and time again is another. While Farley deserves his share of criticism, at the time it seemed like an "ok" move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 4 hours ago, rmc523 said: I was under the impression that product was larger, a flagship type product? On reflection, you’re right. The Lincoln was going to be much bigger like R1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, jpd80 said: On reflection, you’re right. The Lincoln was going to be much bigger like R1S I still wish we could've seen it (along with some of the other stillborn products of late) just to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 35 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I still wish we could've seen it (along with some of the other stillborn products of late) just to see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 54 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I still wish we could've seen it (along with some of the other stillborn products of late) just to see it. Isn’t it ironic that Rivian was rejected because electric foundation was incompatible with Ford’s own engineering approach with hundreds of individual controllers….. Here again, I wonder what Jim Farley would have done differently now thst Ford embraces a similar philosophy in CE1. (South Park what would Brian Boitano do ) it seems like they had a great platform and partner with Rivian but Ford’s own engineering torpedoed the whole thing…… Edited March 16 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 30 minutes ago, akirby said: I know about the Star, but don't think that had anything to do with the Rivian-based model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: I know about the Star, but don't think that had anything to do with the Rivian-based model. They didn't throw away the design, just the platform. I'm 90% sure that's what it was going to look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 hours ago, akirby said: Wondering if that Mach E mule with wider track was a SWB GE2 mule for 2 row Lincoln? it’s possible to read way too much into these concepts but it’s fun….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 12 hours ago, rmc523 said: While Farley deserves his share of criticism, at the time it seemed like an "ok" move. This is what Jimbo said at the time F-150 Lightning was introduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 hours ago, rmc523 said: I still wish we could've seen it (along with some of the other stillborn products of late) just to see it. Agreed, apparently it was very good looking, styled by the same guy who did the s550 and this Lincoln was his best work yet apparently. I always finding myself wishing when brands have really great designs like that for them to repurpose them into something else, but it never happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 hours ago, akirby said: I believe they're referring to the flagship Rivian EV that was gonna be called Continental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) . Edited March 17 by DeluxeStang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/15/2026 at 8:37 AM, Sherminator98 said: I wouldn't say that, they are coming out with four new EV products this year...almost everyone else has cancelled them or drastically cut back on them. Toyota also isn’t out there throwing out lofty production goals. They never really have. They’re wise enough to see there’s still a place in EV land just not at the numbers being thrown around 5-6 years ago. Sometimes being last to the party isn’t all that bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Toyota also isn’t out there throwing out lofty production goals. They never really have. They’re wise enough to see there’s still a place in EV land just not at the numbers being thrown around 5-6 years ago. Sometimes being last to the party isn’t all that bad. But IMO Toyota was also talking out of both sides of its mouth with EVs...and was never called out on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Sometimes being last to the party isn’t all that bad. Correct and this is what Ford used to be great at doing. Let others blaze the trail, see what works and why then enter that market with a great vehicle. You might lose a couple of years of great sales but you also avoid a potential complete disaster and over a run of 8 years they come out way ahead with less risk. But with EVs Farley kept swinging for the fences and striking out then going double or nothing and losing again. To his credit though he started ce1 skunkworks and let it play out in secret and I think in the end it will be a home run. If only it had been done 2 years earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: I believe they're referring to the flagship Rivian EV that was gonna be called Continental. Correct.... 9 hours ago, morgan20 said: This is what Jimbo said at the time F-150 Lightning was introduced Ok, and? Given the looming regulations at the time, they had to do something, and wanted to be the first one out there with a full size EV truck. As a stopgap, it was a good product, though it obviously fell short in some areas. 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Toyota also isn’t out there throwing out lofty production goals. They never really have. They’re wise enough to see there’s still a place in EV land just not at the numbers being thrown around 5-6 years ago. Sometimes being last to the party isn’t all that bad. This was my opinion all along.....there's a place for EVs, but let it grow organically rather than the abrupt shift "they" (everyone) tried to implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, akirby said: Correct and this is what Ford used to be great at doing. Let others blaze the trail, see what works and why then enter that market with a great vehicle. You might lose a couple of years of great sales but you also avoid a potential complete disaster and over a run of 8 years they come out way ahead with less risk. But with EVs Farley kept swinging for the fences and striking out then going double or nothing and losing again. To his credit though he started ce1 skunkworks and let it play out in secret and I think in the end it will be a home run. If only it had been done 2 years earlier. I wonder how much of it is Farley, and how much comes from Bill Ford, who has long been environmentally focused? Remember, that's a key reason Fields was canned - being behind on EVs. One has to wonder if Bill was desperate to make EVs work behind the scenes and Farley went along with it until it was evident it wasn't viable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Ok, and? Given the looming regulations at the time, they had to do something, and wanted to be the first one out there with a full size EV truck. As a stopgap, it was a good product, though it obviously fell short in some areas. F-150 Lightning is a not a good product, it's a great product, the best F-150 ever. Not perfect, but no vehicle is. Jimbo was correct that F-150 Lightning changes the game. Now Ford isn't even playin' the game. ☹️ The only thing that obviously fell short with F-150 Lightning was the big shots' decision to cancel it for 2026 without announcing a pure BEV replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 "best ever" by certain metrics. Clearly it hasn't resonated with enough buyers, otherwise they wouldn't have cancelled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: I believe they're referring to the flagship Rivian EV that was gonna be called Continental. Why would you think it would look different from the Star concept? At least the exterior? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, akirby said: Why would you think it would look different from the Star concept? At least the exterior? From my understanding, the star concept was the Lincoln version of the Ford three row based on ge2 whereas the Lincoln flagship was based on a Rivian platform with its own unique design and proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 39 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: From my understanding, the star concept was the Lincoln version of the Ford three row based on ge2 whereas the Lincoln flagship was based on a Rivian platform with its own unique design and proportions. So you think they threw away the Rivian based design and did something completely different for Star? They're both three row capable suvs. Star came out in 22 a tear after the Rivian divorce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: This was my opinion all along.....there's a place for EVs, but let it grow organically rather than the abrupt shift "they" (everyone) tried to implement. Same dude. I voiced it here a few times and got roasted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, akirby said: So you think they threw away the Rivian based design and did something completely different for Star? They're both three row capable suvs. Star came out in 22 a tear after the Rivian divorce. Based on differences in terms of how they were described, I'd say so. The Rivian based EV was described as having a ton of visual impact, with striking proportions. That's not how the star concept reads to me. It's not bad, it's just pretty by the numbers as far as an EV design goes. I don't see many people seeing the star concept and viewing it as this striking, exotic design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 54 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Same dude. I voiced it here a few times and got roasted for it. Only by he who was banned. Pretty sure everyone else agreed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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