morgan20 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Biker16 said: This is the problem Since 2008, more than $275 billion - including $118 billion from the 2021 infrastructure law - has been shifted from the general fund to pay for road repairs. The highway system was based on users paying for road maintenance and construction, we haven't had a this system for very long. Resulting in Deficit Spending to support Road maintenance. AKA a subsidy Yea, that's a problem at the federal level. At the state level, 26 states plus D.C. have taken action to adjust gasoline taxes so that they vary based on criteria such as inflation, CPI, highway construction cost, etc. States with Variable Gas Taxes State Gas Tax Structure Year of Last Increase Alabama Tax indexed annually to the National Highway Construction Cost. 2019 Arkansas Tax based on the average wholesale price of gas and diesel, with a floor (prevents the tax from dropping if the 12-month average wholesale price of fuel is less than the previous year) and a ceiling (limits the increase to no more than .1 CPG). 2019 California Tax varies with inflation. 2020 (per 2017 legislation) Colorado Beginning in fiscal year 2032-33 the 8 cent road user fee, which is levied on gasoline, will be indexed to Highway Construction Cost Index inflation. (2032) (per 2021 legislation) Connecticut Tax varies with gas prices. 2013 Florida Tax varies with CPI. 2015 Georgia Tax varies with vehicle fuel-efficiency and CPI. 2015 Hawaii Variable rate only because general sales tax applies to gas. ** Illinois Tax varies with CPI. Indiana Tax varies with inflation and general sales tax applies to gas. 2017 Kentucky Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Maryland Tax varies with gas prices and CPI. 2013 Michigan Tax varies with inflation. 2022 (per 2015 legislation) Minnesota Tax varies annually with increases in the Minnesota Highway Construction Cost Index. The rate will be 28.3 cents in 2024. 2023 Mississippi Tax increases every two years (no more than one cent) based on increases in the yearly average of the National Highway Construction Cost Index. 2025 Nebraska Tax varies with gas prices and appropriation decisions. 2016 New Jersey Tax varies with gas prices and revenue collection. 2024 New York Tax varies with gas prices. 2013 North Carolina Tax varies with population and CPI. 2015 Pennsylvania Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Rhode Island Tax varies with CPI. 2015 Utah Tax varies with gas prices and CPI. 2015 Vermont Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Virginia Tax varies with CPI. 2020 Washington Gas tax rate increases 2 percent each year, compounds annually. 2025 West Virginia Tax varies with gas prices. 2017 D.C. Tax varies with CPI. 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, fordmantpw said: My wife works for the department of transportation. They frown when she parks in the lot with her electric car because they don't think she is paying her fair share of fuel taxes. 🙄 I would show them the receipt from the DMV and tell them to F--- all the way off! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, morgan20 said: Haha, if I remember correctly from when I first joined this forum a couple years ago and you welcomed me, you're in central Missouri right fordmantpw? Of course your wife can confidently tell her MoDOT colleagues that her electric car is contributing more than its fair share to the state's Highway Fund, if she hasn't already done that. 😊 NCSL states that Missouri has the following registration surcharges for electric and hybrid vehicles: $150 additional annual fuel decal fee for alternative fueled passenger motor vehicles, including EVs, up to 18,000 lbs. $75 additional annual fee for plug-in electric hybrid vehicles. Good memory! 42 minutes ago, twintornados said: I would show them the receipt from the DMV and tell them to F--- all the way off! She's too quiet to say anything, especially that! LOL! She's only got 69 days of work left before she retires 23 days before her 50th birthday. Then she won't have to worry about it! 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 10 hours ago, morgan20 said: Yea, that's a problem at the federal level. At the state level, 26 states plus D.C. have taken action to adjust gasoline taxes so that they vary based on criteria such as inflation, CPI, highway construction cost, etc. States with Variable Gas Taxes State Gas Tax Structure Year of Last Increase Alabama Tax indexed annually to the National Highway Construction Cost. 2019 Arkansas Tax based on the average wholesale price of gas and diesel, with a floor (prevents the tax from dropping if the 12-month average wholesale price of fuel is less than the previous year) and a ceiling (limits the increase to no more than .1 CPG). 2019 California Tax varies with inflation. 2020 (per 2017 legislation) Colorado Beginning in fiscal year 2032-33 the 8 cent road user fee, which is levied on gasoline, will be indexed to Highway Construction Cost Index inflation. (2032) (per 2021 legislation) Connecticut Tax varies with gas prices. 2013 Florida Tax varies with CPI. 2015 Georgia Tax varies with vehicle fuel-efficiency and CPI. 2015 Hawaii Variable rate only because general sales tax applies to gas. ** Illinois Tax varies with CPI. Indiana Tax varies with inflation and general sales tax applies to gas. 2017 Kentucky Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Maryland Tax varies with gas prices and CPI. 2013 Michigan Tax varies with inflation. 2022 (per 2015 legislation) Minnesota Tax varies annually with increases in the Minnesota Highway Construction Cost Index. The rate will be 28.3 cents in 2024. 2023 Mississippi Tax increases every two years (no more than one cent) based on increases in the yearly average of the National Highway Construction Cost Index. 2025 Nebraska Tax varies with gas prices and appropriation decisions. 2016 New Jersey Tax varies with gas prices and revenue collection. 2024 New York Tax varies with gas prices. 2013 North Carolina Tax varies with population and CPI. 2015 Pennsylvania Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Rhode Island Tax varies with CPI. 2015 Utah Tax varies with gas prices and CPI. 2015 Vermont Tax varies with gas prices. 2015 Virginia Tax varies with CPI. 2020 Washington Gas tax rate increases 2 percent each year, compounds annually. 2025 West Virginia Tax varies with gas prices. 2017 D.C. Tax varies with CPI. 2020 Never forget that the states even with higher gas taxes are also receiving federal dollars not paid for by road users. Instead are being paid from income taxes. In essence, you're asking every American taxpayer to subsidize the construction and maintenance of roads they may not use. All of this adding to an out of control federal deficit. The irony is that subsidizing fuel costs. You are making it more costly to move towards a cleaner and less expensive alternative, like EVS or other forms of transportation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Biker16 said: Never forget that the states even with higher gas taxes are also receiving federal dollars not paid for by road users. Instead are being paid from income taxes. In essence, you're asking every American taxpayer to subsidize the construction and maintenance of roads they may not use. All of this adding to an out of control federal deficit. The irony is that subsidizing fuel costs. You are making it more costly to move towards a cleaner and less expensive alternative, like EVS or other forms of transportation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 23 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: You're getting off cheap. Here in IL,,,,,,, HRG 23 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: You're getting off cheap. Here in IL,,,,,,, HRG California says "Hold my Beer"..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 On 3/19/2026 at 9:00 PM, twintornados said: The real Elephant in the room is that you graduated from high school in 1996...I was 2 years into my recently retired 30 1/2 year career.... On 3/19/2026 at 9:28 PM, akirby said: I was 10 years into a 37 year career...... Wow, I didn't know y'all were so old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, Biker16 said: Wow, I didn't know y'all were so old. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 If the long term expectation (20+ years) is that most vehicles will be EV’s then you could just add the highway “gas” tax into the rate per kW purchased at charging station. Basically the same old system. You wouldn’t catch the home chargers but it’s a relatively easy solution otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, blazerdude20 said: If the long term expectation (20+ years) is that most vehicles will be EV’s then you could just add the highway “gas” tax into the rate per kW purchased at charging station. Basically the same old system. You wouldn’t catch the home chargers but it’s a relatively easy solution otherwise. Kentucky has been doin' that since 2024: Effective January 1, 2025 The statutorily mandated $0.002 increases in the excise tax and surtax rates per kilowatt hour are as follows: Excise tax: $0.032 Surtax: $0.032 Effective January 1, 2024 House Bill 8, passed during the 2022 Kentucky legislative session, establishes a new excise tax on electric vehicle power distributed by an electric vehicle power dealer for the purpose of charging electric vehicles with an initial base rate of three cents ($0.03) per kilowatt hour. There is an additional surtax with an initial base rate of three cents ($0.03) per kilowatt hour on electric vehicle power distributed by an electric vehicle power dealer when the electric vehicle charging station is located on state property. Electric vehicle power dealer is a person who owns or leases an electric vehicle charging station. *ATTENTION* House Bill 122, passed during the 2024 Kentucky legislative session, changed the definition of electric vehicle power dealer to exclude level 1 and 2 charging stations from taxation. This change applies retroactively to January 1, 2024. Only electric vehicle power dealers with charging stations with a charging capacity greater than 20 kilowatts are required to register, collect, and remit the electric vehicle power excise tax. If you have any questions concerning your account or fillings, please contact the Motor Fuels Tax Section. Electric vehicle charging station is any place accessible to general public vehicular traffic where electric power may be used to charge a battery or other storage device of a licensed electric vehicle. If the proposed EV registration fee at the federal level mentioned at the beginning of this thread becomes reality, EV owners in Kentucky (and in most other states) will pay far more in taxes and fees than gasoline vehicle owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/27/2026 at 5:33 PM, blazerdude20 said: If the long term expectation (20+ years) is that most vehicles will be EV’s then you could just add the highway “gas” tax into the rate per kW purchased at charging station. Basically the same old system. You wouldn’t catch the home chargers but it’s a relatively easy solution otherwise. Except I wouldn't consider that an "easy" solution, as it'll still eliminate a big chunk of the money for road repairs if most people are charging at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 33 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Except I wouldn't consider that an "easy" solution, as it'll still eliminate a big chunk of the money for road repairs if most people are charging at home. Yea, "easy" solutions usually ain't. 😊 Kentucky has both a registration surcharge for EV (currently $126/year) and a excise tax + surtax per kilowatt hour for public EV fast charging stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 They should shift the tax to tires. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, sullynd said: They should shift the tax to tires. That's not a bad idea. It would relate directly to miles driven although to be 100% equitable it should be based on treadwear ratings. My Pirelli P Zero summer tires are 200 and probably won't last more than 10k miles whereas some regular passenger car tires may be 600+ and last 60k-80k miles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, sullynd said: They should shift the tax to tires. That is one of the better suggestions I have heard. The only downside I can think of is more people will drive on bald tires and a black market will develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, Texasota said: That is one of the better suggestions I have heard. The only downside I can think of is more people will drive on bald tires and a black market will develop. I could see a huge market for used tires with small amounts of tread left for people looking to avoid the taxes. Even though it would be more cost effective to just buy new, people would do it to "stick it to da gubment!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 7 hours ago, rmc523 said: Except I wouldn't consider that an "easy" solution, as it'll still eliminate a big chunk of the money for road repairs if most people are charging at home. If they truly get charging times down to 10 to 15 minutes, I’d argue most people aren’t going to mind stopping to charge. Especially when the alternative is to drop three grand on an electrician and a charger. Again, not perfect but nothing will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 15 hours ago, blazerdude20 said: If they truly get charging times down to 10 to 15 minutes, I’d argue most people aren’t going to mind stopping to charge. Especially when the alternative is to drop three grand on an electrician and a charger. Again, not perfect but nothing will be. I guess that's a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 22 hours ago, fordmantpw said: I could see a huge market for used tires with small amounts of tread left for people looking to avoid the taxes. Even though it would be more cost effective to just buy new, people would do it to "stick it to da gubment!" One more unintended consequence is that tire theft from parked cars will skyrocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 3/30/2026 at 5:03 PM, blazerdude20 said: Especially when the alternative is to drop three grand on an electrician and a charger. Again, not perfect but nothing will be. I have a feeling that automakers are going to be subsisting installation of chargers at home like what Ford is doing till then. Even if you can charge some place for 10-15 minutes, If I can just plug in at my garage, why even bother when the car will sit for hours on end anyways till use it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 3/30/2026 at 3:00 PM, sullynd said: They should shift the tax to tires. NYS already collects a "tire recycling fee" on every new tire sale and it is an included "line charge" when you buy a new car. On 3/30/2026 at 5:00 PM, Texasota said: That is one of the better suggestions I have heard. The only downside I can think of is more people will drive on bald tires and a black market will develop. Some states also have annual safety inspections that include minimum tire tread depth. On 3/30/2026 at 5:02 PM, fordmantpw said: I could see a huge market for used tires with small amounts of tread left for people looking to avoid the taxes. Even though it would be more cost effective to just buy new, people would do it to "stick it to da gubment!" Take a look at Facebook Marketplace - used tires abound there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Video from Autoline about the topic discussed in this thread plus chart of different revenue collection methods for road maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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