Sherminator98 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a71373500/chrysler-dodge-ram-jeep-us-models-coming-soon/ meanwhile crickets from Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 (edited) Chrysler, Dodge, Ram New Models 2030 Chrysler will add 3 crossovers: -Airflow -Arrow -Arrow Cross (presumably a "coupe" version of the Arrow) Jeep will add: -Wrangler Scrambler........the old Scrambler was a 2-door truck, I wonder if that's what this is - a 2 door Gladiator? Dodge adds 2 products: -"GLH" crossover (presumably a twin of the Airflow?....not sure if the GLH name sticks) -a sports car of some sort, referred to as Copperhead SRT Ram adds: -Rampage (Maverick competitor) -Dakota -Ramcharger (my guess is it'll share the 1500 front end with a rear cap). Edited May 21 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 Haha, guess we were posting the same info at the same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a71373500/chrysler-dodge-ram-jeep-us-models-coming-soon/ meanwhile crickets from Ford. I agree with Ford's crickets, however, Ford has also announced things and then just canceled them, so I'd rather them wait and announce things closer to launch when it's more of a sure thing. It's nice to see them adding products for Chrysler and Dodge especially........we'll see if they follow through with all of these plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 I found this I wonder if that left rendering hints at the RamCharger's design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted May 21 Author Share Posted May 21 REEV? Is that an Extended Range EV?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 38 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: REEV? Is that an Extended Range EV?! Yea, Extended Range EV (EREV) and Range Extended EV (REEV) are synonyms. It's shown on the right in the picture below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dequindre Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I am cautiously optimistic. Antonio Filosa seems to understand the North American market WAY better than Carlos Tavares. This product plan also seems way more achievable than plans unveiled under prior leadership teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 8 hours ago, Dequindre said: I am cautiously optimistic. Antonio Filosa seems to understand the North American market WAY better than Carlos Tavares. This product plan also seems way more achievable than plans unveiled under prior leadership teams. As long as these new models play to their respective brand’s strengths, this is a great plan for them. I’m concerned about Chrysler though, all this talk of cheaper entry level models isn’t their brand. They’ve spent far too long trying to move Chrysler up market to spit all over that now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Whether this report is true or not, it says that Scrambler is sort of an extended cab 2-door pickup, and that Recon is getting an ICE powertrain: Jeep’s SRT Comeback Is Bringing A Two-Door Hemi Scrambler With It | Carscoops The company is also reviving the Scrambler moniker on an all-new pickup. According to The Drive, the Wrangler Scrambler SRT is a two-door version of the Gladiator While that sounds like the classic CJ-8 Scrambler, it’s not a traditional regular cab pickup. Instead, it will reportedly have two-rows of seats and longer doors to aid entry and egress. Interestingly, the second-row will reportedly be able to rotate 180 degrees to face rearward, like the front seats on many RVs. It also sounds like the truck will have a three-piece removable hardtop and a unique front end. It could also be powered by the Wrangler 392’s 6.4-liter Hemi V8, which pumps out 470 hp (350 kW / 477 PS) and 470 lb-ft (637 Nm) of torque. Some of the biggest news is that the Recon is getting gassy. The fully electric model will reportedly be joined by an ICE variant and it will likely be powered by the Hurricane inline-six that resides in the Dodge Charger. It offers outputs of 420 hp (313 kW / 426 PS) and 550 hp (410 kW / 558 PS). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: As long as these new models play to their respective brand’s strengths, this is a great plan for them. I’m concerned about Chrysler though, all this talk of cheaper entry level models isn’t their brand. They’ve spent far too long trying to move Chrysler up market to spit all over that now. Yeah, I agree - the Chrysler plan seems lost, but at least they have some models on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 15 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: REEV? Is that an Extended Range EV?! Still not sold on EREVs outside of a few very specific use cases. If you're not charging it all the time then the extra batteries are wasted and a regular hybrid is better and more efficient. If you are charging regularly then the longer range of a BEV would be much better for normal driving. On a long trip or towing you have to stop to recharge AND get gas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Yeah, I agree - the Chrysler plan seems lost, but at least they have some models on the horizon. It's a mystery why they're even keeping Chrysler alive. Slap a Dodge badge on them and call it a day. I doubt there are any chrysler dealerships that don't already sell Dodges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 22 minutes ago, akirby said: Still not sold on EREVs outside of a few very specific use cases. If you're not charging it all the time then the extra batteries are wasted and a regular hybrid is better and more efficient. If you are charging regularly then the longer range of a BEV would be much better for normal driving. On a long trip or towing you have to stop to recharge AND get gas. Can't sell a product that buyers don't want (EVs) even if it makes more "sense" because the vast majority of the time people don't think rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 38 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Some of the biggest news is that the Recon is getting gassy. The fully electric model will reportedly be joined by an ICE variant and it will likely be powered by the Hurricane inline-six that resides in the Dodge Charger. It offers outputs of 420 hp (313 kW / 426 PS) and 550 hp (410 kW / 558 PS). I wonder how they are gonna market that? Is it going to be a more refined version of the Wrangler? its basically the same thing but an EV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 53 minutes ago, akirby said: Still not sold on EREVs outside of a few very specific use cases. If you're not charging it all the time then the extra batteries are wasted and a regular hybrid is better and more efficient. If you are charging regularly then the longer range of a BEV would be much better for normal driving. On a long trip or towing you have to stop to recharge AND get gas. You get the driving experience of an EV without range anxiety. Plus, you can tow with it too! A regular hybrid doesn't have the driving experience of an EV, either. I would love to tow our fifth wheel with an EV. The instant torque, always available when you need it is amazing! Plus, with regenerative braking, you don't have to worry about your brakes overheating going down long hills. It's a win-win! You don't HAVE to recharge when towing or on long trips either, just let the gas engine do the work. However, when you stop and grab lunch, just plug it in and you've got that large range again. Also, for everyday driving, just plug it in at night and you don't burn any gas. My main concern is efficiency. If they can make it as efficient as a normal ICE, I think it's the best solution for those cases where a BEV just won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 38 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: I wonder how they are gonna market that? Is it going to be a more refined version of the Wrangler? its basically the same thing but an EV. Yeah I have no idea........maybe trying to target former Liberty buyers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 22 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: A regular hybrid doesn't have the driving experience of an EV, Good point I didn't think about that. 22 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: I would love to tow our fifth wheel with an EV. And that's one of those specific use cases. However with the smaller battery you're probably only going to see 75 miles of EV range while towing so the majority of your trip will be on gas. I think if they could keep the 300 mile ev range it would work better but then it gets too heavy and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 56 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said: Can't sell a product that buyers don't want (EVs) even if it makes more "sense" because the vast majority of the time people don't think rationally. But they do want EV trucks. They're just expensive right now. If erev brings the price down at least $10k then maybe it will sell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 18 minutes ago, akirby said: But they do want EV trucks. They're just expensive right now. If erev brings the price down at least $10k then maybe it will sell. I'm agreeing with you-but at the same time there is a lot of inherent mass against EV adaption because of its inherent issues that a decent amount of people can't or won't deal with. Even if you could buy an EV cheaper then say a gas powered product, I think people (at least in the USA) will still buy the gas/Hybrid/EREV product in most product categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan20 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 51 minutes ago, akirby said: But they do want EV trucks. They're just expensive right now. Yea, exactly. I think Ford, with its Universal Electric Vehicle Platform and Production System, has a big competitive advantage in terms of cost control versus anything the big shots at Stellantis announced yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 54 minutes ago, akirby said: And that's one of those specific use cases. However with the smaller battery you're probably only going to see 75 miles of EV range while towing so the majority of your trip will be on gas. I think if they could keep the 300 mile ev range it would work better but then it gets too heavy and expensive. And I'm OK with having a shorter towing range as long as I get that EV experience when the gas motor kicks in. That's when the efficiency becomes a big thing. Much of our camping right now is 120 miles from home. 75 miles of EV-only range would be perfectly fine. So I buy gas for 45 miles. I charge when we're there, then buy gas for 45 miles home. I'm good with that. Our next rig is likely going to be a truck camper on an F550, and we plan to go out west and do considerable boondocking. Having an EREV there would be amazing! You don't need 1200 Ah of battery storage in the camper, you just plug into the truck. When the battery gets low, the engine fires up, charges the battery, and life is good! No need to pack a generator along with you either. Would be even better if you can plug the truck into the camper to charge the truck when the sun is shining and the solar panels are producing power. So, yeah, I could see many uses for an EREV in a truck. Sadly, it'll likely be a long time before we see it in something like an F550. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, akirby said: It's a mystery why they're even keeping Chrysler alive. Slap a Dodge badge on them and call it a day. I doubt there are any chrysler dealerships that don't already sell Dodges. Crazy Papa Sergio made sure of that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 56 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: And I'm OK with having a shorter towing range as long as I get that EV experience when the gas motor kicks in. That's when the efficiency becomes a big thing. I’m looking forward to real world towing tests with the Ram REEV. My gut tells me you will have to accept 45ish MPH average top speed when towing that 5th wheel with a depleted battery. I hope I’m proven wrong but there are physical laws in play that software and a 3.6 (non-turbo) cannot overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 44 minutes ago, Texasota said: I’m looking forward to real world towing tests with the Ram REEV. My gut tells me you will have to accept 45ish MPH average top speed when towing that 5th wheel with a depleted battery. I hope I’m proven wrong but there are physical laws in play that software and a 3.6 (non-turbo) cannot overcome. Right, but I'm thinking Super Duty for a fifth wheel, and it'll be bigger than a 3.6L. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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