jpd80 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said: I wanna like it, but I'm struggling lol. Now you see what I was talking about ages ago, the styling is different/OK, concern was if buyers warm to it. It just feels out of proportion compared to what most folks are used to or see around them every day. Edited July 1 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 43 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Now you see what I was talking about ages ago, the styling is different/OK, concern was if buyers warm to it. It just feels out of proportion compared to what most folks are used to or see around them every day. Yeah. I will say I've gone on record saying I really liked this shape under the tarp. So if that's it, I'm a fan even if it's not super convenient. Looks low, wide, and sleek. You get a better sense of the overall proportions and shape because it's not covered up in padding. But ford could have made changes and variations to this design since. Time will tell. Edited July 1 by DeluxeStang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 26 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: ...I really liked this shape under the tarp.... Borg, is that you? 😄 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestyg Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Now you see what I was talking about ages ago, the styling is different/OK, concern was if buyers warm to it. It just feels out of proportion compared to what most folks are used to or see around them every day. I think that comes from the extremely swept back nature of the roofline. Geometrically this shrinks the ratio of height to body. I had trouble wrapping my head around it at first, but honestly looking at a Mazda CX-50 really clears up any concerns on that. It’s a form that works, it is cool, low to the ground, but it is still identifiably a trucky-truck. It is going to hinge on the fascia/grille styling we currently can’t see. If it looks like the F-150 Lightning with no lightbar, or the Expedition right next to it, then it will probably work IMO. The latter would be better. Edited July 1 by Zestyg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Holy Overanalysis and Overreaction Batman! 😎 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, akirby said: Holy Overanalysis and Overreaction Batman! 😎 Calm down, we're just having fun 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 here are the profile shots we have with the most recent at top. The other two were at a slight angle so this newest one gives us our best look at the dimensions. The windshield goes out much further than I originally thought. It looks like it covers maybe a 1/4 of the front wheel? That’s gonna be a pretty short hood (in length). I also think the new pic and the winter pic show the actual belt line. The high belt line, gigantic extreme sloped windshield, short hood and low front on a truck doesn’t sound like a winning combination so my expectations for this looking good are low. Hopefully I will be surprised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Zestyg said: I think that comes from the extremely swept back nature of the roofline. Geometrically this shrinks the ratio of height to body. I had trouble wrapping my head around it at first, but honestly looking at a Mazda CX-50 really clears up any concerns on that. It’s a form that works, it is cool, low to the ground, but it is still identifiably a trucky-truck. It is going to hinge on the fascia/grille styling we currently can’t see. If it looks like the F-150 Lightning with no lightbar, or the Expedition right next to it, then it will probably work IMO. The latter would be better. The cx50 has a long hood though. It would look completely different with a short stubby hood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestyg Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 19 minutes ago, T-dubz said: The cx50 has a long hood though. It would look completely different with a short stubby hood. I mispoke, I meant the cx-30. Mazda’s naming scheme is annoying and confusing. I had posted it earlier. Its hood is a similar size to this thing it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Kinda. It's not terrible, but it doesn't pull on my heart strings like Alan Clark said it would. Patience grasshopper. The vase built into the dash with a rose in it is going to turn you into a tub of goo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestyg Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 40 minutes ago, Texasota said: Patience grasshopper. The vase built into the dash with a rose in it is going to turn you into a tub of goo. Added a flower to my ms paint picture 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) 10 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: Yeah. I will say I've gone on record saying I really liked this shape under the tarp. So if that's it, I'm a fan even if it's not super convenient. Looks low, wide, and sleek. You get a better sense of the overall proportions and shape because it's not covered up in padding. But ford could have made changes and variations to this design since. Time will tell. Look at that the other way around, Ford could pick any style it liked and went for this because air needs a certain shape to slip past easily…..that was the priority here remember, everything was made smaller more efficient so it costs Ford way less to produce. The hope is that the confluence for all that gives a vehicle thst still appeals to plenty of buyers….. Edited July 2 by jpd80 Typos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Zestyg said: Added a flower to my ms paint picture Damn, I wasn't so sure, but seeing it like that with the vase built into the dash and a rose in it has turned me into a tub of goo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I think the biggest issue is that this vehicle is going to reset or confuse people when it comes to size. People have been bitching about the F-150 getting bigger and bigger, when it really hasn't, outside of more four door models being sold. The biggest change is how high it sits vs older models, making it taller and seem "bigger" then it actually is. The CE1 pickup is going to be sitting lower to the ground then what most people expect a modern Pickup to do. I'm guessing its going to be akin to the Ranchero or El Camino. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Since I was having a major brain fart and couldn't remember the Chevy El Camino name, I googled Ranchero and this popped up: Ranchero /ranˈCHerō/ The term ranchero translates from Spanish as "rancher" or "cowboy" The Ford viral website for the CE1 mentioned Welcome to the Ranch....so maybe this will be called the Ranchero? Some activity on the USPTO https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/99320314 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, Zestyg said: I think that comes from the extremely swept back nature of the roofline. Geometrically this shrinks the ratio of height to body. I had trouble wrapping my head around it at first, but honestly looking at a Mazda CX-50 really clears up any concerns on that. It’s a form that works, it is cool, low to the ground, but it is still identifiably a trucky-truck. It is going to hinge on the fascia/grille styling we currently can’t see. If it looks like the F-150 Lightning with no lightbar, or the Expedition right next to it, then it will probably work IMO. The latter would be better. Like I said ages ago, those “concerns” are nothing compared to Cybertruck styling and yes, it is swept back and efficient looking which is why I warmed to the design a few months back, not as bad as it first appeared - maybe they cleaned the styling up from the early impressions. Whatever it’s going in the right direction. Edited July 2 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I have a Mazda CX-90, and while it's not as extreme a windshield angle as the "ranchero," it is noticeably more than the current generation Explorer. The young whippersnappers here find it cool, but the design leaves little room for my gnarly old head to clear the apex of the door frame, causing me to angle my back and neck rearward slightly, limbo style. The increased angle also has you looking more edge on through the laminated glass, and increases the top of the dashboard area, which acts as a heat reflector. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 10 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: Since I was having a major brain fart and couldn't remember the Chevy El Camino name, I googled Ranchero and this popped up: Ranchero /ranˈCHerō/ The term ranchero translates from Spanish as "rancher" or "cowboy" The Ford viral website for the CE1 mentioned Welcome to the Ranch....so maybe this will be called the Ranchero? Some activity on the USPTO https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/99320314 Seems like it's leaning that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestyg Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Motorpsychology said: I have a Mazda CX-90, and while it's not as extreme a windshield angle as the "ranchero," it is noticeably more than the current generation Explorer. The young whippersnappers here find it cool, but the design leaves little room for my gnarly old head to clear the apex of the door frame, causing me to angle my back and neck rearward slightly, limbo style. The increased angle also has you looking more edge on through the laminated glass, and increases the top of the dashboard area, which acts as a heat reflector. damn how tall are you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorpsychology Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 minute ago, Zestyg said: damn how tall are you HaHa. 5'9"/175cm. Part of the problem for me is I like the seat elevated ~2/3 its travel, but still I find that the apex of the door frame is further back than it is compared to my 2021 Ranger. The best compromise I had was with my 1973 Saab 99LE, which had a compound windshield curvature, whereas the A-pillars were more vertical and the lower edge of the windshield protruded outward. Wider door opening with good Cx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 My parents (who are in their late 70s) hated the slope of the windshield on the Edge they had for a loaner because it cut into head room getting into the car. I’m wondering if it’s generational thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKohnen Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 14 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: The CE1 pickup is going to be sitting lower to the ground then what most people expect a modern Pickup to do. I'm guessing its going to be akin to the Ranchero or El Camino. I think this feels very accurate. The Maverick has about 8" of ground clearance (9.4" in the Tremor). Escapes are 7.5", Fusions were 6". I'm thinking closer to Fusion than anything. In unrelated news, I saw a black vehicle from about the middle of the back door window to the hood, from the top to about the window line, out our front window here at work and thought it was a Maverick... until I changed angles. Turned out to be a Flex. Surprising how similar the partial profile I saw was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said: My parents (who are in their late 70s) hated the slope of the windshield on the Edge they had for a loaner because it cut into head room getting into the car. I’m wondering if it’s generational thing. Likely an age thing. You are not sitting/standing up as straight at that age, so the normal forward lean is going to put your head in harms way with a highly-sloped windshield. Edited July 2 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 15 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: I think the biggest issue is that this vehicle is going to reset or confuse people when it comes to size. People have been bitching about the F-150 getting bigger and bigger, when it really hasn't, outside of more four door models being sold. The biggest change is how high it sits vs older models, making it taller and seem "bigger" then it actually is. The CE1 pickup is going to be sitting lower to the ground then what most people expect a modern Pickup to do. I'm guessing its going to be akin to the Ranchero or El Camino. It's gonna be fascinating to see how consumers respond to it. If this thing is well received, I could see it potentially leading to a resurgence of utes in the US. Then again, we all thought there would be more maverick rivals, and that hasn't happened. But we can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zestyg Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said: It's gonna be fascinating to see how consumers respond to it. If this thing is well received, I could see it potentially leading to a resurgence of utes in the US. Then again, we all thought there would be more maverick rivals, and that hasn't happened. But we can hope. There aren’t any Maverick clones I think because it’s fundamentally a hard package to compete with really. The only other manufacturer I would think has the capacity and the truck credibility would be Toyota. Even then, Ford’s pricing on the Maverick is still genuinely impressive. They sell the RAV4 hybrid for $33k, could they be able to sell a hybrid compact truck for the $30k the Maverick does? Could they do an ICE for $28k? If the Skunktruck succeeds and hits the price target, it would likely be similarly difficult to put out a similar product at that price point for anybody except the Chinese. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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