Broncofan7 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Leaked: 2027 Ford F-150 Order Guide Says the F-Series Is Losing Its 2.7L EcoBoost V6, But... - The Fast Lane Truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It makes sense to me that they'd want to consolidate two similar engines into one across the board instead of offering the 2.7 on some models, and the 3.0 on others (or in some cases, both on the same model). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Eliminating overlap between the F-150 and the future F-100 makes sense. I’m thinking the 2.7 remains an option for the F-100. Edited July 31 by Texasota 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schpark Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Are both the 2.7 and 3.0 CGI blocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Schpark said: Are both the 2.7 and 3.0 CGI blocks? yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It was only used in F150, Ranger and Bronco after they ditched the transverse version, and 2.3/3.0 makes more sense e ranger and bronco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenKohnen Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 While the 2.7-3.0 swap is a big-ish deal... what jumped off the pages to me in Ford's product info guide and order guide was the deletion of Auto Start-Stop. Huzzah! Have to seriously read between the lines in the order guide to see that, but it specifically mentioned it in the product info guide. Same guide, though, says the 3.0 will make 325hp and 400 lb/ft, which are the same numbers as the outgoing 2.7 engine. I suspect that's a placeholder, but that's just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasota Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, akirby said: It was only used in F150, Ranger and Bronco after they ditched the transverse version, and 2.3/3.0 makes more sense e ranger and bronco. If they do that, then Ford would need to put higher output versions in the Raptors or something different than the 3.0? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 21 minutes ago, Texasota said: If they do that, then Ford would need to put higher output versions in the Raptors or something different than the 3.0? Not really. They could offer the 3.0 on a high end non raptor or offer a high output 2.3L. Or offer a detuned version of the 3.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 This is certainly an interesting change. Assuming output numbers change relative to the 2.7l, it is could be a cool update. I would imagine at least 350hp (for a 25hp upgrade) for the base truck. One thing about this motor is that, in other applications, it can make 400+ hp and torque, so would this eventually make the 5.0 irrelevant as well. Yet, we know 5.0 production is continuing for the rest of the decade based on all the agreements the past few weeks. Does anyone remember the Bronco research survey from a few months ago? Iirc, it did not mention a 2.7, but mentioned an optional 3.0l (on trims below Raptor )and hybrid 5.0. My guess is that, for the time being, Ford will introduce the 3.0 in a detuned (from its upper ratings) version in the F-150 for the remainder of this generation. From there, it would likely make roughly 400 hp in the next gen truck while the 5.0 gets an update and/or a hybrid option, with something occurring with the 3.5l. Then, late 2020s/early 2030s, Bronco and Ranger get the 3.0l as the optional motor on non-Raptor versions and hybrid Coyote on Raptor versions, reflecting the considerations of the survey. My other thought would be how a 3.0l will affect the 3.5l being so close in power, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplorerDude Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 The reason for the change was that the 2.7 wasn’t going to clear some emission compliance requirement of some sort. They’ve been working on this change since 2023. The 2027 F-150 XLT, Lariat, King Ranch & Platinum all get new grilles and new wheels. XL, STX, Tremor and Raptor keep current grilles and wheels. Tremor and Raptor also get new lower priced variants as well which should help sell even more of those trims. You can get the 5.0 on the King Ranch and Platinum trims again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, BenKohnen said: While the 2.7-3.0 swap is a big-ish deal... what jumped off the pages to me in Ford's product info guide and order guide was the deletion of Auto Start-Stop. Huzzah! Have to seriously read between the lines in the order guide to see that, but it specifically mentioned it in the product info guide. Same guide, though, says the 3.0 will make 325hp and 400 lb/ft, which are the same numbers as the outgoing 2.7 engine. I suspect that's a placeholder, but that's just a guess. I've never understood the absolute hatred people (in general) have for auto start/stop.... 1 hour ago, Broncofan7 said: This is certainly an interesting change. Assuming output numbers change relative to the 2.7l, it is could be a cool update. I would imagine at least 350hp (for a 25hp upgrade) for the base truck. One thing about this motor is that, in other applications, it can make 400+ hp and torque, so would this eventually make the 5.0 irrelevant as well. Yet, we know 5.0 production is continuing for the rest of the decade based on all the agreements the past few weeks. Does anyone remember the Bronco research survey from a few months ago? Iirc, it did not mention a 2.7, but mentioned an optional 3.0l (on trims below Raptor )and hybrid 5.0. My guess is that, for the time being, Ford will introduce the 3.0 in a detuned (from its upper ratings) version in the F-150 for the remainder of this generation. From there, it would likely make roughly 400 hp in the next gen truck while the 5.0 gets an update and/or a hybrid option, with something occurring with the 3.5l. Then, late 2020s/early 2030s, Bronco and Ranger get the 3.0l as the optional motor on non-Raptor versions and hybrid Coyote on Raptor versions, reflecting the considerations of the survey. My other thought would be how a 3.0l will affect the 3.5l being so close in power, etc. They're already adding the 3.0 to the Filson Bronco. I'd guess this means it'll spread out further. 41 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said: The reason for the change was that the 2.7 wasn’t going to clear some emission compliance requirement of some sort. They’ve been working on this change since 2023. The 2027 F-150 XLT, Lariat, King Ranch & Platinum all get new grilles and new wheels. XL, STX, Tremor and Raptor keep current grilles and wheels. Tremor and Raptor also get new lower priced variants as well which should help sell even more of those trims. You can get the 5.0 on the King Ranch and Platinum trims again. Strange that they'd bother changing grilles with a redesign a model year away. I'm also surprised this change happened in the middle of the model run, but it makes more sense if they were running into compliance issues (and also probably coincided with the original next-gen model that was supposed to debut earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I've never understood the absolute hatred people (in general) have for auto start/stop.... They're already adding the 3.0 to the Filson Bronco. I'd guess this means it'll spread out further. Strange that they'd bother changing grilles with a redesign a model year away. I'm also surprised this change happened in the middle of the model run, but it makes more sense if they were running into compliance issues (and also probably coincided with the original next-gen model that was supposed to debut earlier. 8 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I've never understood the absolute hatred people (in general) have for auto start/stop.... They're already adding the 3.0 to the Filson Bronco. I'd guess this means it'll spread out further. Strange that they'd bother changing grilles with a redesign a model year away. I'm also surprised this change happened in the middle of the model run, but it makes more sense if they were running into compliance issues (and also probably coincided with the original next-gen model that was supposed to debut earlier. I believe the NG 150 is a 2029 model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, akirby said: It was only used in F150, Ranger and Bronco after they ditched the transverse version, and 2.3/3.0 makes more sense e ranger and bronco. How durable long term is the 3.0 compared to the 2.7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplorerDude Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Trader 10 said: I believe the NG 150 is a 2029 model. Correct 2029 it is. It was delayed at least twice. It was originally supposed to be a 2027. There is a new 6 in development but that is all I can say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExplorerDude said: Correct 2029 it is. It was delayed at least twice. It was originally supposed to be a 2027. There is a new 6 in development but that is all I can say. 1 hour ago, ExplorerDude said: Correct 2029 it is. It was delayed at least twice. It was originally supposed to be a 2027. There is a new 6 in development but that is all I can say. Gonna be a significantly changed truck if a new engine and the rumored steer by wire and brake by wire materialize. Edited July 31 by Trader 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said: Correct 2029 it is. It was delayed at least twice. It was originally supposed to be a 2027. There is a new 6 in development but that is all I can say. That seems inline with rumors .... 😏 Edited July 31 by rmc523 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Trader 10 said: I believe the NG 150 is a 2029 model. I forgot the next gen got pushed back twice. Let's hope they take a big step forward design wise, and don't do the warmed over cab approach. It's sounding like it'll be a big jump forward, but you never know until they actually show it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Trader 10 said: Gonna be a significantly changed truck if a new engine and the rumored drive by wire and brake by wire materialize. I think it needs to be to stay class leading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: I forgot the next gen got pushed back twice. Let's hope they take a big step forward design wise, and don't do the warmed over cab approach. It's sounding like it'll be a big jump forward, but you never know until they actually show it... I hope so as well. I understand why Ford doesn't always want to have massive leaps in terms of engineering and design. But I feel like a lot of us are ready for a bolder leap forward with the next generation of a lot of their icons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExplorerDude Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 20 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said: I hope so as well. I understand why Ford doesn't always want to have massive leaps in terms of engineering and design. But I feel like a lot of us are ready for a bolder leap forward with the next generation of a lot of their icons. The next gen is a clean sheet from a body, frame, and electrical architecture stand point. It still looks like an F-150 but will be visually different that you will be able to tell the difference between the new generation and previous generations. Some powertrains will carry over, some will be all-new. Some may not launch in the first year. Still TBD. I don’t know all the reasons it was delayed twice but there were significant learnings from the skunkworks team that were applied for efficiency improvements. I do think it will be worth the wait though. The current truck is still selling exceptionally well and the 2027 updates will keep it looking fresh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said: The next gen is a clean sheet from a body, frame, and electrical architecture stand point. It still looks like an F-150 but will be visually different that you will be able to tell the difference between the new generation and previous generations. Some powertrains will carry over, some will be all-new. Some may not launch in the first year. Still TBD. I don’t know all the reasons it was delayed twice but there were significant learnings from the skunkworks team that were applied for efficiency improvements. I do think it will be worth the wait though. The current truck is still selling exceptionally well and the 2027 updates will keep it looking fresh. Based on what was said here, I would guess that the 5.0l would be updated and carried over, with the Ecoboosts (3.0 and 3.5) being replaced by a new turbo'd six cylinder engine family. Enough to up output and keep the lineup relatively consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: That seems inline with rumors .... 😏 Yeah I saw that post on B6G about a 6 with a single turbo on….that would make sense if was a inline 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) To me this is a scales of economy thing much like the 6.8/7.3 Godzilla, it's easier to make the one engine and maybe offer a couple of tunes, maybe with and without hybrid/site power? Its more about Ford simplifying manufacturing and getting savings with fewer parts variations but sad to see the 2.7 go…..it was a great engine. puely speculation here, I wonder if that engine (2.7 V6) makes it way to South Africa as an option on international Ranger as a better PHEV vs Chinese competition? Edited July 31 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, ExplorerDude said: The next gen is a clean sheet from a body, frame, and electrical architecture stand point. It still looks like an F-150 but will be visually different that you will be able to tell the difference between the new generation and previous generations. I assume it will also share a lot with the TTP truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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