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2 hours ago, Ididntdoit said:
If you're tired of hearing about how much we're ready to leave then please message me about donating to our retirement fund to help send us off sooner ?
WAH WAH WAH, keep whining, imma call u sixty whiner, all u do is whine on a board, and no one really cares.
now whine some more
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1 hour ago, Ididntdoit said:
why are you always attacking people? mommy issues? do you need a hug?
simple harmless question and you act like an ass, no ones impressed no ones intimidated. We make fun of bullies with small hand syndrome.
But I'm better then that, I'll be a good UAW brother and start a gofundme for your therapy
See too many jerkoffs just bashing new people and not help guide them in the right direction.
u are not involved, why do u have to be involved? ur taking a buyout so leave it at that! btw it is not a harmless question.
if u or anyone else actually READ the contract, like ppl should, u would be better informed. etc etc
i dont need ur fake pity. or name calling.
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20 hours ago, MrSmith said:
I did read the contract and all I see is a bunch of XX-XX-XXXX as effective date. You don’t know shit. Don’t even know the answer to my question. Idiot.
if u actually read the contract , u would see the 'effective' date, CAUSE ITS IN THERE! i do know, cause i read it, u didnt and u ask stupid questions, thats why ppl make fun of U! IDIOT
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3 hours ago, Decker said:
Einstein?
I would wonder what part of any one of Einstein`s explanations you do understand or have read? When you are referring to yourself with "my dam question" it would lend to an explanation and Dark explained it in an Einstein clarity.
when....the....members.....through.....more....pieces....of...paper....with...yes....than....all...the...pieces...of...paper....with … no...on....the...paper.... "in the plastic buckets" (<---had to stir the shit ?)…. then....the....contract...is....drum roll please...….rat-o-ffffeyed.
Smitty you are under the 2019 UAW/Ford agreement from the point the total number of votes reached the majority of the votes cast in favor of excepting the tentative agreement which it then became a legal binding labor contract. At the point the theory of relativity is considered that would give you a date or 15 November 2019. (the minute when the yes majority is reached on 15 Nov. 2019)
Thanks Dark for your clarity ?
btw, wish more of 'us' was like u. its sad tho really.
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3 hours ago, fmccap said:
Tentative Dec. 1st
WRONG
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3 hours ago, MrSmith said:
Idiots? Tell me the effective date Einstein. Because that still didn’t answer my damn question.
i think u proved my theory, and why the public think we are idiots. maybe try READING the contract
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On 10/20/2019 at 11:50 AM, Ididntdoit said:
Family within GM say there's no limit on amount of temps, they screw over those part time temps and they don't get wage increases over time like they do now.
Main reason most of them went on strike was to help save the lordstown plant, and to kill off this tier system but this contract creates a tier system within the temps.
11k signing bonus after you take off about 5k for wages lost during strike and another 2-3k in profit sharing loss due to the strike leaving 3-4k for taxes, not a real big win but it prevents a huge loss.
the wage increase compared to cost of living inflation is weak 3-4% especially if you work in a plant that's in a city like Chicago where both city and state tax everything and I mean everything.
VSP package 60k only works for those 55+ with almost 30yr anyone else would be giving up to much.
Ford is in a different position, more workers less plants. Which is why I expect there to be a Ford version of a VSP package hopefully a better offer.
Ford would love this template for temps, I don't see Ford giving that big of a signing bonus.
The wage increase wouldn't be much different then 2015 but it's more then what we got the 3 contracts prior to that so.
I'm 50/50 with what GM offered, mostly because I'm ready to go. But seeing how Lordstown is gone, and how the use of temps is worded I think GM workers just wasted over a month of picketing. Strike wasn't a win yet. Still have to see it ratified, and to be honest I think it will with a tainted vote.
well, ford didnt offer a better offer did they,? It was the same exact one that GM had, someone told u that.......
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1 hour ago, Decker said:
The contract was ratified by majority vote of the members, at that point the contract is in effect. No difference from signing any legal contract except we signed with our vote.
Each facility will have a determination of retirement incentives do to the fact Ford controls their business and exiting of to many members at one time will not be good for their operations. I`m sure at CAP as short as we are every day and as many people they are adding to both facilities the exiting could be a long an drawn out process.
If there are specified dates for different elements to occur then that process and dates become in effect at the ratification of the contract.
Don`t be upset if the incentives and exiting process takes longer than we want it to happen. Ford has the contractual abilities to operate their business with the company`s best interest first and foremost.
29 Nov. signing bonus
06 Dec. 4% for some members
15 Sept. 2020 will be start of the first hourly rate increase for some members
the fact that u have to explain this to ppl, is beyond me, and ur way nicer then he/she deserved. its no wonder public looks at us as idiots.
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2 hours ago, Ididntdoit said:
he's trolling, you can tell him the sky is blue he'll argue with ya.
hopefully there will be union reform and a more secure voting method used by everyone and not 5 diff methods from 5 diff locals by the time the Feds are done.
same could be said of u, u have been trolling and bashing the union, to no end. and yet no proof of what u say. or fatso says, so as usual no proof.
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11 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
This isn't exactly a well kept secret, I found out about it within a month of being hired in 2013 when I still had no idea about how anything worked.
ill assume u are referring to 'the ballot stuffing' as fatso alleges, anyhow as the far right, and rush and alex jones repeats lies and conspiracy's just because it is repeated doesn't make it true.
show me a link /photo or other proof, otherwise i don't believe it or u(and not just some crazy site either like fox news) and incoherent ramblings will just be ignored
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49 minutes ago, Fatso said:
I go beyond "allege" when I know the procedure for voting on the National Contract at Local 600 was unsecure. Okay what does that mean?It means not protected from attack or other criminal activity.Does that mean I "allege" vote tampering?No,I know that it is a possibility.I voiced my concerns to the Local and they assured me that there was no messing with the ballots and without proof I guess I have to trust.Maybe it was honest,but why all of a sudden was the procedure for voting less secure than the procedure for voting to elect union officers?The top officials of the IUAW may go to prison and the UAW itself may be forced into receivership.At this point I trust nobody and for good reason.I "allege" that the day before the Feds handed down indictments that everybody was passing themselves off as honest and ethical.The vote tally from the largest local at Ford has ramifications for every Ford/UAW worker in the nation.I hope the feds leave no stone unturned in their use of the word "allege".Cheese it-----THE FEDS!
when u show me ACTUAL proof, then we will have a conversation, until then it is ALLEGATIONS....pics ?? links??? ANYTHING? nope, only OPINION
that is not proof.
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9 hours ago, Ididntdoit said:
I believe ya Fatso, Dark270 is just another troll
It's no secret the UAW has padded votes since the 1980's prob even before then. Just that back then snitches got stitches today they get participation trophies. I mean look at our local at CAP, how these people got elected in a fair election is impossible to imagine. 2 shouldn't even have jobs if zero tolerance was actually a thing. But as you see CAP doesn't vote, they fabricate the numbers. Our election is currently under investigation due to the racial attacks from our current bargaining committee against their opponents during the election and their defaming propaganda. It's going to get real interesting at CAP after this contract ratifies.
and ur just a hater, u think ppl would be more grateful taking the buyout. i hope u get one soon, that way u wont posting again.(at least not in the employee section) and u dont even know what 'trolling' means, its got ur name next to it.
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17 hours ago, Fatso said:
What do you want proof of?I am saying I worked there and that was the procedure for the vote on the National Contract.I no longer work there and things might have changed.That was the way it was done.A union rep walking around the plant with a plastic paint bucket that, you drop a slip of paper into.Now where I currently work,you show up at the union hall and drop your slip into a locked,metal box.All I want is my vote counted fairly.I pay my dues,I get a vote.I never said that I saw the votes counted and changed.I did not.I am saying that the procedure for the vote should be more secure,especially at the largest local.A local that has enough votes to decide the outcome for the entire membership.Lax rules present an opportunity that may,,,,MAY,,,,,lead to corruption.Want proof of corruption in the union?Read the newspaper.I dont care what you believe or accept as proof.I WAS THERE!
how about proof as to what u allege. and again u have none, just want to speculate.
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6 hours ago, Fatso said:
Oh PLEASE,,,,,,,,,,I might as well sign my name at this point.Oakman blvd.turns into Miller Road south of Michigan Avenue [yeah,there`s the the Pantheon go-go club}and I dunno,I think it was Gate 5 where the Miller Road overpass and also an entrance to the freakin Rouge {welcome to HELL} was.Uh,,,,,what else do ya want?Now in all fairness {cuz I liked my mitty-man} of course I did not witness any tampering HOWEVER the problem is that the process was totally unsecure.Local 600 has the most members.That alone is what makes Local 600 the most powerful local.Not because Local 600 is the most philosophically,convicted, dedicated,to unionism,.In my opinion where I work now ,as far as unionism goes,,,well makes my miserable existence at Ford at least bearable.Politics,greed and corruption is involved in everything where a person can make an easy dollar bill.Unless Rory changes the existing structure of the rules,making it harder to get away with taking kick-backs from the company,the scandals will keep reappearing only with different names involved.
as i suspected, no proof. all hearsay.
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Just now, Ididntdoit said:
stay on topic and troll that spread sheet, you look like you need direction
get that YES vote in turn this into a landslide like Trump on election day
maybe u should follow ur own suggestions. and yes u are trolling.
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13 hours ago, Ididntdoit said:
I'm not able to until contract is ratified, does it make sense now why I care? or are you just trolling?
the shortest puppet strings
Vote yes and there shall be video ?
trolling? u must know all about that, cause that is all u do
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9 minutes ago, Fatso said:
Voting on something as important as a 4 year National Contract should be secured and safeguarded.Not just a union rep walking around the plant holding a plastic, old paint,bucket for members to toss a slip of paper into.Lazy rules make it easier for corruption to occur.Local 600 is the largest,by membership,they have the most votes.
while i agree, do u have proof of this ? not just 'hearsay' ? video/photo/link ?
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1 hour ago, Decker said:
"Cameras on your TV's phones cars and even your damn doorbells and you're scared of a camera at your work station? " <---- Really.... the camera`s are everywhere, already.
"major gain is you still have work for the next 4 years, you got a contract before the sinking ship IUAW is taken over by the Trump administration.
Imagine what you would get then." <---- I can imagine it
you want to send 132 members to Black Lake for what? Get out a here.... DENIED
"The opportunity to get back any concessions we lost during the bail out era was lost in 2015, we backed the union and they screwed us." <---wait wait wait we got screwed?
"GM went on a 40 day strike and this is the pattern they won." <---- the only thing that pissed our resident socialist off was he didn`t get to use his garbage can as warming station....
"No this isn't a great contract but you can't really expect more with a broken IUAW. You want a better contract, find a better union." <---- OUT the PARK
nope, it wont be taken over by trump, he cant even 'speak' to reporters right, LMAO
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1 hour ago, Ididntdoit said:
Dearborn votes all week and ends on the 15th
they need more days, soak it all in. Sun doesn't shine as bright there takes more time to absorb the info. And just because they have a couple more thousand workers then CAP, but LAP KTP twice as many as dearborn. LAP KTP sun shines brighter? better communication local to members maybe? only need 3 instead of 4 like dearborn. But who are we fooling, 2015 Dearborn swings the vote at last min with 100 votes? And well as long as our members are focused on the important things like AWOLs and cameras we can let that slide, our paranoid guilty conscience is stronger then our work ethics.
CAP no one cares they always vote no, push it through fast before half of them realize we're already voting
that's ok though, we won't talk about that.
AWOL changes and cameras watching us that's some serious stuff. We'll cry all day about this.
and why do u care? thought u were taking a buyout package? or are u just whining?
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23 minutes ago, Ididntdoit said:
And now I'm saying Bye Felicia, have your people call my people and we'll do lunch.
nope, im not her, and i dont do lunch, so enjoy ur life, and btw since ur not an employee of ford anymore, u wont be needing to post here eh?
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the white book is out, maybe read it?
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7 hours ago, deflep1 said:
Unlike GM who will only let 2,000 workers take the 60K to retire, Ford shows no limit on the number of takers. There will probably be 4 or 5 thousand people who take that deal. Probably 500 alone at Flat Rock. It took me 21 years to crack the top 1,000 in seniority and I might end up in the top 400 by February. Might finally be able to get into PDI.
yeah there is a limit, 200 skilled, fyi
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7 hours ago, Ididntdoit said:
STEP STEP STEPing my way out the door, cya ?
LOL take ur 60k, as i predicted, and yet u were saying it would be more, LMAO
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6 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
idk, ive seen enough to vote no, romeo and 9k, they can stick it up their.......
BUYOUT...When Do We Leave??
in Ford Employee Forum
Posted · Edited by dark270
its no wonder ppl label autoworkers as big dumb and stupid.
nope im happy with the union, so no reason to ask/call them. no i dont do donations, cause tax law changed what i can deduct, so maybe u can stand on street corner and beg? several corners are available in chicago, maybe some near the plant and u wont have to walk very far
maybe u can call the space force, i heard they are hiring......