Let me clarify. Look at Focus sedan vs hatchback vs escape. Sedan is by far the cheapest and most of the smaller sedans that you see are the cheaper versions. Same for Fusion/Edge - big price difference. And even though I had a Titanium fusion that was great they were few and far between with most that I see being much cheaper SEs. In the sub $35k range price is king for a large number of buyers.
Different story with $50k+ luxury/sport sedans but at that price point volume drops significantly and a lot of buyers want more utility. It’s a difficult business case vs utilities and trucks.
Oh for sure man, all I'm saying is I would buy something like a soul over a Corolla because it starts at about $1,500 less, is more practical, and has a fantastic warranty. But Toyota also has a very strong, if overhyped,reputation for longevity and resale value. So there's a trade off there.
As for the focus, words can't express how disappointed I was that ford pulled it out of the N. American market when they did. I appear to be in the minority here, but I think the current focus is by far the best looking hatchback ford has ever made, especially the pre-facelifted version. Plus I believe it's quite reliable, especially compared to the dumpster fire that was the previous gen. I still remember seeing leaked pics of the focus on Blue that were snagged during a photoshoot, was stunned at how good looking it was. I was so determined to buy it, then ford was like, nah.
Time will tell if Ford reenters the sedan market. Explorerdude hinted that ford was considering green lighting an affordable sedan for N. America if fuel prices stayed high. This was sometime in 2021. We'll see what goes down. I say bring back the escort name.
You are in luck. I did exactly that in Oct 2021. I traded my Gen2 Raptor for a 22 F250 crew 7.3l I had ordered with the intent of lifting it. I drove the truck for two weeks and had discussions with a couple of different lift shops and decided the ride quality would never meet my expectations (nor my wife’s, lol) without significant investment, and decided to order another Raptor instead.
Another annoyance to me is the F250’s steering is much less precise than the Raptor, and requires more concentration to drive. Perhaps the 23 is better regarding the aforementioned observations, but I suspect it is just inherent in heavy duty trucks.
With the lift, tires, etc it was going to be $8k plus pending on lift setup, and they advised it would be better but it still wouldn’t ride like a Raptor. The Carli lifts are probably about as close as you are going to get to a Raptor ride and the cost would have easily exceeded $10k and I just didn’t think the value was there for me.
I have a tandem axle trailer rated at 7000lbs that I periodically use, which the F250 pulls great, but my old Raptor pulled it fine for the distances I am using it, with some squat of course.
With that said, I still don’t have the Raptor after all this time. I’m sure you are aware of the difficulties of acquiring a Raptor these days. After waiting on allocation for so long it went into production on 08/16/22. Apparently there were missing parts and it sat around for a long time because it finally shipped on 01/17/23. It will hopefully be at the dealer any day now.
Ford makes it difficult to get excited about a new vehicle these days with all the uncertainty surrounding their ability to deliver, but I’m glad it will be here soon.
It boils down to what the most important characteristics of the truck are to you. For me it ended up being the ride and driving dynamics for daily use.
If you have any specific questions let me know.
Thanks for the update. hopefully things run smoothly this week. The new red color is interesting. I wish I could see it in person. It almost looks like a dark purple. I went with whisper blue, but the red is still giving me some lingering doubts.
Unfortunately, pretty much it right there. And the average reader doesn't help, by trusting and reposting links from some of these places who don't get their info right, for the reasons you explained above.
I understand when spy shots are involved, but when it's just text with no unnamed or named insider referenced as their source of information, in my opinion it's just not worth acknowledging them.
On average they aren't going to do a good job of explaining their own perspective on a theory and would do everyone justice to just BS about their favorite new Ford color or any other fluffy bullcrap, than trying to comment on a yet to be revealed model they have little to zero info for and pass it off as "news".
It helps how quickly a few guys and gals here shutdown any misleading BS, so it doesn't get credibility. Much harder in other spaces...
Yep, sucks a million. For those of us who know better, thankfully we can see right through those agendas. Whether lazy means to an easy dollar or plainly trying to a manipulate a narrative. It just seems unusually concentrated in terms of automotive stuff.