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By DeluxeStang · Posted
By mushy potato, I'm thinking of things like that Mercedes EQS sedan or whatever it's called. That sort of shape where in pursuit of areo targets, designers create this lumpy blob on wheels. There's nothing wrong with sleek design if it's the Aston Martin approach, and not the devoid of all interesting design cues Tesla approach. -
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Wanted to bump this and see if anyone has more pictures. I have the antimatter... if anyone matched that I am super interested. -
For an ICEV it doesn’t make much difference on overall costs, but I think when it comes to BEVs, “mushy potato” offers real-world advantages over “cardbox box”. Can’t you figure out how to make an aero potato look good? 😊 P.S. — Assume by mushy potato you mean sleek or streamlined, opposite of box or brick. If not, ignore above comment.
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Could you elaborate? I assume ROW won’t be purchasing large BEVs as in NA, but do you not think whatever Ford comes up with out of Skunkworks effort won’t be used in both US and ROW? Would seem Ranger-size and -capability PU could meet dual needs and therefore reduce development costs versus designing a different PU for ROW. Just curious on your expectations on US vs ROW.
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Look at the internal dimensions of Maverick versus Ranger crew cab and you’ll quickly see why Ford is keen to promote its future BEVs as mid-sized. Is that a sleight of hand or a clever Taurus like moment approaching? and clearly, the US vs ROW future BEV sales mix and brands are going to be very different
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It’s a great point that left me wondering what “midsize” is considered dimensionally. Found a comparison by Car and Driver of midsize pickups, and a quick review suggests they are all very close in size, with Ranger on the small side compared to most other brands, except maybe Nissan. At a personal level I agree a smaller electric pickup would be my preference, but it appears Ranger and larger than that is what sells best today (Tacoma, Colorado, Ridgeline, Frontier, Gladiator, etc.). I like Maverick size because it reminds me of an old mid-90s Ranger. Really liked that truck. New Rangers feel large to me, though I understand importance of added size in ROW where F-150 is not as popular as in North America. Since USA has F-150, the new truck being smaller may work well here but may be too small to export successfully if it comes to that. By export I mean the truck and or its design to be manufactured elsewhere. Just an opinion.
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Correct but they’ve just landed a ton of them into European ports last month. My point being how much better will those Chinese BEVs be in a couple of years when Ford releases its first CE1? So heres a litmus test, How EU reacts to that will be interesting, do they start protecting local brands or encourage competitively priced BEVs that meet the expectations of their tightening regulations. Europe is now at the crossroad, so which way do they flop
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By DeluxeStang · Posted
I don't believe these affordable EVs need to be premium and upmarket, I've said it before, but maverick is a great example of what I think we'll get. The first time in a long time where someone making an affordable car actually cared about making it good. That's the maverick, and that's gonna be these EVs if I had to guess. Something that's still affordable, the only difference is it's gonna be things people actually want, so Ford won't have to stack money on the hood to move them off the lot. -
By DeluxeStang · Posted
Yeah, I'm not really feeling it either personally. That's why I'm hoping these affordable EVs are slightly bigger, not massive, but maybe a foot or two long than that. Compact cars often have this squished look to them that doesn't do it for me. I'm hoping these affordable EVs are moreso like a bronco sport, a cab forward truck, maybe an escort hatchback like the blue rendering I posted if they decide to bring back some sort of hatchback which seems likely. I want these affordable Ford EVs to be stellar all around products. Ford keeps talking about how differentiated they'll be, how different they'll look, how radical they are. If they come out and it's just a crossover that looks like a mushy potato or a cardboard box, I'll be really disappointed. I want these to be designs where you want to immediately run out and buy it after seeing it, which is not something you see very often with affordable vehicles, especially in the looks department. It's almost always "That's fine I guess, as long as it's cheap" give me a design that makes me say "That's badass". -
There are no Chinese EVs available in the U.S. today.
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