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  1. bbf2530

    The Fusion finally stranded me

    Hi jcartwright. Just curious...since you don't mention what model are you waiting for in the 2023 model year. I assume you are aware that the Fusion was discontinued after the 2020 model year and there is no 2021-2022-2023 model. Thought I would mention it though, just in case. Good luck.
  2. Hi gang. And just for some additional information, with some basic Googling research. Take a look here: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=recommended+fuel+for+Ford+Raptor As can easily be seen, premium fuel is not even "required" in the Raptor (which keeps being selectivity mentioned). Yes, it is "recommended" for best performance" (again...i.e. horsepower/torque). But "recommend" and "required" are two very different words with very different definitions. And premium it is not required and gives no other benefits of engine cleanliness, longevity. maintenance etc. Only added power, which some want/need, some do not. So as akirby so succinctly stated above: "There are real performance gains Premium is more expensive You may or may not notice the difference If you don’t notice the difference or you don’t care then you can save money by using 87 If you notice the difference and/or don’t mind spending more then buy premium. Period end of discussion." Let others read and make a decision based on expert sources, not deeply held Internet opinions with little fact basis, no matter which side the opinion is on. Good luck.
  3. Hi Emilner. Or the opposing argument would be: We should all take the time and spend the money to train like an Olympic athlete everyday, because that is what will give us the the best overall physical performance for our bodies, even if we do not need that level of performance. The reality is that many/most of us do not need top performance, so we do what is necessary to maintain and perform how we need to in our lives (not others lives). Of course, some do train like hell, while others treat their bodies like a garbage can and/or everything in between. Or in the case of our vehicles, do not even perform minimum maintenance, oil changes etc. So you see, silly analogies aside, the argument can be cast either way, since there are holes in any analogy, including the two mentioned here. And using 87-89-91-93 octane does not matter, as far as engine health and longevity, unless premium is required (far different than "recommended for..."). It only matters for "performance" (i.e. power/HP). And not everyone needs or wants top performance to drive to the mall. So the answer is that everyone needs to use the octane fuel they feel is necessary for their driving desires and environment, as long as it meets the minimum Ford requirements (not "recommendation") for their vehicle. As akirby stated, no one here is telling anyone not to use premium, or 87 octane is the best choice for everyone. We are simply telling everyone to use what the feel is best for their driving environment and situation, as long as it meets the Ford minimum requirement, which is most cases, is a minimum 87 octane fuel (but everyone needs to read their own Owners Manual. However, some here are certainly telling everyone they need to use premium and it is the absolute best choice, no matter their driving environment. And some of those same people, who are telling everyone what is best for them, are the same people saying the other side is telling everyone what to do. Now, that is ironic. And since some here seem to repeatedly state that others are ignoring this or that statement, it seems no proponent of "premium fuel is best for for everybody" will address the fact that virtually all automotive experts state that a driver should use a fuel that meets the minimum octane requirements of their particular vehicle, or a higher octane premium, if the wish or feel the need to. But that for many owners, premium is a waste of money. Even when research that is provided. Would someone please provide expert sources stating premium fuel is best for everybody, other than a very liberal (and cherry picked) inference that an Owners Manual stating "recommenced" also means "required", or best in every circumstance for everyone? And even when other Owners Manual statements to the contrary have been offered? Let owners read the expert sources and make a decision as to what is best for them on their own. All the rest of this is Internet posturing and babbling. Good luck everyone.
  4. Hi BL. We all are. 😉
  5. Hi 92merc. Yes, and your experience brings up another good point for others to remember: Generally speaking (there will always be outliers). in an apples to apples comparison, ethanol lowers fuel mileage, and ethanol fuels will give lower mpg's than non-ethanol fuel. The main factor is the presence of ethanol, not the octane rating. Good luck.
  6. Hi gang. Several points here: First, this "One size fits all" approach is not a good one. Here is what my Owners Manual states concerning fuel octane: "We recommend regular unleaded gasoline with a minimum pump (R+M)/2 octane rating of 87. Some stations offer fuels posted as regular with an octane rating below 87, particularly in high altitude areas. We do not recommend fuels with an octane rating below 87. To provide improved performance, we recommend premium fuel for severe duty usage such as trailer tow. Do not use any fuel other than those recommended because they could lead to engine damage that may not be covered by the vehicle Warranty. Do not be concerned if the engine sometimes knocks lightly. However, if the engine knocks heavily while using fuel with the recommended octane rating, contact an authorized dealer to prevent any engine damage." So telling people that only one octane is the right one is the wrong advice. Premium will improve performance for those who need improved performance However, not everyone needs top horsepower at the expense of extra cost (see my personal experiences below) Next: Therefore, no one is ignoring any irony, because there is no irony. We spend money on a vehicle, perhaps lots of money. However, that does not mean we have to spend unnecessary money for a higher octane fuel that gives us no benefit in our own particular driving circumstances. Next: The difference between 87 octane and 93 octane in my area is in the $0.40 to $0.60 range per gallon. So if I am at 1/4 tank in my 2018 MKZ, it will cost me ~$5.60 to ~$8.50 more to fill with 93 octane premium. Not $3.00 I have owned 5 Mustang GT's in my long car career (all factory ordered new) and am performance oriented in my driving. Less so now with my 3.0T AWD MKZ, but still attuned to the behavior of my car and its driving characteristics. In my normal everyday driving (no stoplight drag racing, towing, highway hero driving etc.) I can feel no difference between 87 octane regular and 93 octane premium. I have used both and also keep a fuel mileage log. In addition, I use only Major name brand, Top Tier fuels. There is no difference between additive/detergent packages between Major Brand/Top Tier 87 octane and 93 octane fuels. So in my case, I do not need the full 400HP/400 lb-ft of torque in my driving. I can get along just fine with ~380/380 or whatever regular may give me. Don't get me wrong..Yes,. my car does produce top horsepower/torque with premium. But i don't feel or need it in my own daily driving environment. So premium is a waste of money for me. Even if it is only $5-$9 a fill-up. The Owners Manual simply states that the vehicle will get the full advertised power with premium fuels (notice it does not even specifically state 93 octane at all). If an owner does not need top performance power, then paying for it is a waste of money. Yes, we paid a lot of money for vehicles, but that does not mean we need tip-top horsepower/torque and its resulting costs, on an everyday basis If an owner does not need top performance in their daily driving (or does not care) then using 87 octane has no drawbacks and saves money. If there is no benefit, it is a waste of money. In my opinion, smart people (and smart rich people) do not walk into the club and start "making it rain" with dollar bills. i will take the advice of automotive experts before the opinion of myself or anyone on an anonymous automotive forum. For expert advice instead of partial quotes and opinions (including mine), Google the subject of regular fuel versus premium and see below: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a28565486/honda-cr-v-vs-bmw-m5-ford-f-150-dodge-charger/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/about/a31295/high-octane/ https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/best-cars-blog/2016/08/premium-vs-regular-gasoline https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/don%27t-confuse-gasoline-octane-and-quality https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/octane.shtml Or, as this paragraph in the Fueleconomy.gov link states (and most of us are stating): "Is higher octane fuel worth the extra cost? If your vehicle requires mid-grade or premium fuel, absolutely. If your owner's manual says your vehicle doesn't require premium but says that your vehicle will run better on higher octane fuel, it's really up to you. The cost increase is typically higher than the fuel savings. However, lowering CO2 emissions and decreasing petroleum usage by even a small amount may be more important than cost to some consumers." Our vehicles do not "require" premium fuels. So the choice is up to the individual driver as to what is best for their own particular driving situation and environment. Bottom line (in my opinion): We should all do the research and get our information from expert sources, instead of opinions from a bunch of anonymous Internet mooks like us. 🤣 Good luck.
  7. Hi dschuffert. Yes, you are reading it correctly. However, it is as akirby and GrussGott stated. If you are not towing, racing, running your vehicle hard, you can run your vehicle just fine on 87 octane fuel. Sure, it may get ~20 horsepower less than if you run premium, but that does not matter for most drivers. However, if you run your vehicle hard and want/need maximum performance, use a higher octane fuel...89, 91, or 93 for maximum performance, and it will go 0-60 and run the 1/4 mile faster. But again, the average driver does not need that. In addition, if you use top tier fuels from major manufacturers, the additive packages are the same in all grades and using premium fuel will not keep your engine cleaner or make it run "better". The higher octane simply lets the engine perform at the full advertised power. And generally speaking, that is ~20 horsepower higher than regular fuel. So if you want full power for the stop light drag races and don't care about cost, use 93 octane. If you don't drive your vehicle hard and care more about saving a few dollars, use 87 octane regular. Or choose something in between (i.e. 89-91, if you like. Bottom line (in my opinion): What is most important is to use from major/name brand manufacturers ("Top tier" if possible), and avoid cheap/convenience store/no name fuels. And then do what is best for your driving style, environment and wallet. Let us now how you make out and good luck.
  8. Hi Reynolds. There are many different parts and pieces. Can't name them off the top of my head, but I am sure some others here can. Also different tuning/engine programming etc. etc. Just popping parts from a Focus ST 2.0 EcoBoost onto the MKZ 2.0T engine will not give you the power increases you may be expecting. EDIT - If I recall correctly, the MKZ 2.0T is a ~245HP/275 lb.-ft. torque engine. And the Focus ST puts out ~252HP/270 lb.-ft. torque. Both ratings are based on premium fuel use. That seems like a lot of money and work for ~7HP gain and 5 lb.-ft. torque loss. You can get more than that HP increase just by using premium fuel instead of regular in your MKZ (if you are using regular now). Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
  9. Hi gang. If it is similar to the LincolnWay/LincolnConnect system (which it almost certainly would be), you need physical access to the vehicle to connect it to FordPass/the phone app and have location/locking/unlocking/starting etc. ability via the phone app. Good luck.
  10. bbf2530

    Private Cash Offer

    Hi lisadsayre. The usual way is by requesting a vehicle brochure through the Ford or Lincoln websites. However, PCO offers are sent out with brochures at random. So there is no guarantee you will get one with a brochure request. Also, considering the current economy...high vehicle demand, low supply...it is safe to assume Ford may not be sending out as many PCO's as in the past. Why would any company give away money, when they (and their Dealers) can sell everything they are producing and/or have in stock anyway, at MSRP and above? Let us know how you make out and good luck.
  11. Hi Allen. Yes, I completely understand your issue and the points you are trying to get across. As always. And I was only pointing out a part of the economics that everyone had overlooked up until now. And I covered the gamble and economic parts. And just as your point is a fair point, my point is a fair point (not just "to a certain degree"). 😉 So don't minimize my points...that is the job of my lovely wife. 🙃 And yes, the markup on parts between Ford, then the Dealership/seller, then us as the consumer is quite substantial. The markup on what we as the customer pay the Dealership for labor is less than for parts, but still can approach double what Ford pays the Dealership for warranty work. Especially when Ford will limit the allowable/billable hours for warranty work, even if it takes the tech longer than the allowable/billable hours, while we as the retail customer will have to pay the full hourly rate and the full number of allowable/billable hours it took the tech to do the job. Sometimes including lunch and smoke breaks. 🤣 Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year my friend! 🎄🎅
  12. Hi gang. The other thing to keep in mind in this discussion debate is that yes, of course the auto manufacturer makes money on the sale of an ESP. However, there is a cost differential in this equation which seems to be overlooked. If I do not purchase an ESP and have a problem, especially a large one, I pay retail for the parts (or close to it) and retail for the labor. Ford on the other hand only pays their parts cost, which is a fraction of what I would have to pay retail, and a greatly reduced rate for the labor to the Dealership. So Ford pays far less for an ESP Plan engine replacement, new transmission, AC system repair, SYNC system repairs/replacements etc. etc. than I would need to pay out of my pocket if I do not have an ESP. So when discussing/debating the entire cost factor of an ESP, that huge repair cost differential between what it costs Ford to perform a repair, and what we would have had to pay out of my pocket for parts and labor, has been overlooked and needs to be taken into account. Quick example. Let's say when I purchase my new car, I purchase an ESP for $2,000 . Ford makes ~$2,000 up front. I later have ESP Plan warranty claims totaling $3,000 (if I had to pay myself). Ford's actual costs for that $3,000 in repairs is more likely ~$1,000. So I made out well purchasing the ESP Plan (saving $1,000), and Ford still made $1,000. Bottom line is Ford can make a profit on the the sale of the ESP, and I can still get my moneys worth (and possibly more) in savings on possible future repairs. Yes, of course if I never have a claim, I would have been better off not purchasing the ESP Plan at all, and "self insuring" (keeping it myself). However, like any insurance, it is a matter of odds and willingness to sustain a loss. The moral of the story (in my opinion), is for each person to do what is best for their own situation. And if you decide to purcahse an ESP, shop around online and at your local Dealerships, because the Plan prices being charged differ greatly from one seller to another. My local Lincoln and Ford Dealers would not even come close to the prices I was able to find online. And even the online prices had a large price differential, with some saving me several hundred dollars over another (as I have discussed in numerous previous threads on ESP sellers). And certainly yes...If we are only keeping a Ford vehicle for 3 years before selling, or a Lincoln for 4, and our mileage will be below the New Vehicle Warranty limit, don't waste money on a ESP. Good luck with whatever everyone decides to do. And Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all! 🎄🤗
  13. bbf2530

    2 trucks 1 key fob?

    Hi greg. What akirby stated. Good luck.
  14. bbf2530

    (Soon to be) Navigator Owner

    Hi JO302. Nieces/nephews have never been eligible for A/Z Plan purchases. So if you were able to purchase with an A/Z Plan PIN in the past, either your Uncle and the Dealership skirted the rules, or perhaps the vehicle was first registered in one of your parents name at the time of purchase? Anyway...It was easy before the pandemic induced shortages (i.e. 2001) to find Dealers that would accept A/Z/X Plan purchases. In fact, it would be rare to find a Dealer that would not accept A/Z/X Plan sales pre-pandemic. Even now, it is not impossible in many areas, as long as you are willing to factory order a new vehicle and wait. But if you want to purchase a stock vehicle immediately, many Dealers will not accept A/Z/ X Plan sales, when they can sell that vehicle for MSRP or higher to the next person in the door. Also, it is easier to purchase A/Z/X Plan if you go in fully armed with the knowledge of how the Plan purchases work, and don't show the Dealership you are too eager to buy. Like anything else, it can be supply and demand. And if some Dealers (not all) think they have an overeager customer over a barrel and at their mercy, they will take advantage of that. So the best thing to do is call your Dealerships, ask to speak to the Sales Manager, and ask if they will accept an X-Plan PIN sale. You will find one. Let us know how you make out and good luck.
  15. bbf2530

    (Soon to be) Navigator Owner

    Hi JO302 and welcome to the Blue Oval Forums. Concerning Z-Plan PINS...Are you sure it was not an X-Plan PIN you received from your Uncle? Technically/according to the Plan rules, nieces and nephews of a Ford Employee are not eligible for A/ZPlan PINS. Your mother/father would be, as brothers/sisters/brother-in-law/sister-in-law of your Uncle, but not you. Those eligible for A/Z Plan PINS are as follows: -The Ford Employee/Retiree. -Spouse. -Parents (including step-parents). -Spouse's parents. -Grandparents. -Spouse's grandparents. -Sons and daughters (including in-laws and step-children). -Grandchildren. -Brothers and sisters (including in-laws, half and step). -Same-sex domestic partners of active eligible employees*. -Immediate family members of eligible same-sex domestic partners*. -Employees of approved subsidiary companies/organizations and approved affiliated companies/organizations as eligibility is defined at the time of approval. -When both the employee/retiree and his/her spouse are deceased, the surviving family members are no longer eligible. So as the niece/nephew of the Ford Employee (your Uncle), it is hard to determine how you were able to receive a Z-Plan PIN, unless it was done against the rules. Let us know how you make out and good luck.