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Originally, I would have thought it would evolve with GE2 developments but if it’s only got a othe year or two left, Ford will probably keep everything the same. Sales ae down to a dribble in China so not surprised if it’s axed there sooner. Sad for me because it’s a likeable vehicle, Ford just went the long way around developing it.

AK You make my point. The fleet buyer sure does. In particular if he goes back to the old days and bought Louisvilles and then committed to HN-80..and then found out the new trucks he had recently took delivery of or had on order were gone..or maybe he was relieved that Daimler was the buyer and they would be serious about heavy trucks. And they were for 10 years until they came out with F'liners that duplicated the "Fords". Now go to today's market. In Mass a very large distributor of recovery trucks-wreckers, roll backs, rotators- keeps a big inventory of completed units ready to go in service. Up to class 5, I would say Ford rules followed by Ram. Class 6 and 7?...International followed by F-liner, Paccar and lately Hino. Ford a minority. Do 650/750 meet basic specs? Yes, but if a buyer wants air brakes and a gas engine? No luck -and do you think some buyers may view Ford's ever diminishing order guides a sign of things to come. Could be. Remember, blowing up Bluediamond IMO was in part a "bone" thrown to UAW when production of 650/750 moved from Mexico to OAP. Yesterdays newspaper.

might be a little late for this but I had the same problem......installed a dexter magnet from drum brakes to the trailer and let the truck sense the high load...just mounted the magnet to the frame and ran a wire from the brake controller to the magnet.fixed my problem

Well I don't trust the owners manual in my 2016 F250, which I bought new....no where in the manual does it mention crankcase filter, which I found out about the hard way...and it says to reset after an oil change press pedal etc etc etc....not so...you reset it from the display on the instrument panel....

Had the same problem with "trailer disconnected" when I changed the 5th wheel over to disc brakes........Took it to a shop that makes goose neck trailers and they installed a Dexter magnet from old drum brakes onto the camper...problem disappeared. Prior to this the brake controller would show a fault...Electronics can be tricky...and I'm not sure if you can plug the 7 pin connector to the truck, hot (or while its running)...so now I make sure to plug and unplug with the engine off

Of course but he's specifically talking about tv ads.

I think promotion and frequent face contact are important in medium/heavy. The rep from the Kenworth dealer where my company bought their T680s was at our shop a couple-three times a year with the latest Paccar and KW-specific info, and often a bunch o' logo caps for the drivers and mechanics.

You keep saying this but do you really think a fleet buyer doesn't already know about 650/750 and already does comparison shopping? These aren't impulse buys or buyers who don't know trucks.

Probably but I doubt they would recover those costs. Better to build a new one with all the ce1 improvements.

Here is a question that I am interested in. Lets say Ford continues to build Mach E on the GE1 chassis for other markets. Could the upgraded electrical from CE1 Universal Electric Vehicle be adapted for use on GE1 chassis? I know GE1 is an older design, but would a CE1 electrical architecture sustain it for further use?

They did when Henry Ford ran the show....during the original "Model T moment"

If I had to guess as to the poor sales of 650/750, I would say the lack of promotion is the biggest reason sales are what they are. I would think to the experienced fleet guy that might be viewed as the kiss of death. Do I want to invest in trucks that will probably no longer be around in a year or two? As I've previously mentioned, The New England Ford dealers ran their own add frequently on tv spots highlighting Super Duty capabilities-snow plows- but they also included a 650/750 pulling a tag with a TLB on it. And as to capabilities of the Power Stroke/Ford trans, while I was a skeptic, A friend runs a heavy spec 650 dump- that also pulls his heavy tag trailer- derated to 25,999 to avoid the CDL issue and in his mind the truck is a winner as it is pushing 100,000 miles. And as Joe mentioned, CT. DOT has them in their fleet as does Mass DOT. And I have seen them out this past winter on secondary roads with 10/11' plows.

Ford and Unifor reached a tentative agreement tonight. I will present the details when they emerge for those who may be interested.

sounds good. I'm ready to sell my 2022 F350 King. My dealer has my new order, F350 King Ranch again. Just waiting for Ford to start scheduling.

Wait..costs go down? Lol

I guess we'll let the courts decide that. HRG

Of course Ford raised the MSRPs, but they do that all the time even before tariffs. Whether their costs increased due to higher taxes, higher cost of raw materials, higher labor cost or tariffs doesn't matter. They set MSRP and dealer invoice prices and the consumer negotiates the selling price with the dealer. There is no line item for tariffs. Let's say You bought a Maverick last year and this year the government retroactively charged Ford $1k per Maverick sold last year due to an error. Would you owe Ford that $1k? Of course not. Likewise you're not entitled to a refund if their costs go down retroactively.

Long McArthur reported last week that 2027 Super Duty retail builds are now being scheduled at KTP for weeks 10AUG-24AUG. I ordered last month and I suppose there is a large queue ahead of us 🥴

Oooh, actually, that's a really good catch. I'm going to blame being awake too early at work on a Saturday... and "Ford Math". Here's what I was working with, initially looking just at the red circled "just the truck" numbers. What I missed on the 2024 is that we still had to add $3500 for the Tremor package itself. Oops. That said, we can apples-to-apples the other trims as well here. They've definitely gone up, although it can sometimes get masked as well in whether or not hybrid gains a credit or incurs a cost, if AWD is standard or not, credits for taking front drive, and other Ford Math shenanigans.

Sue Trump, not Ford!

Ben, I'm not seeing the $6K price increase. Below are window stickers for my 2024 Lariat Tremor, and a 2026 Tremor, adding the sliding back window that is now an option. What am I missing? $2640, yes, but not $6K. HRG 2024 Maverick Lariat Tremor TJH 09302024.pdf 2026 Tremor WS with back window.pdf

I have a hard time telling the difference between prices going up from tariffs vs prices going up from other reasons. I know with absolute certainty that if I'd been able to get my Maverick (24 XLT Tremor) ordered in 2023 rather than having to wait for 2024, it would have been $5000 less. Then from 24 to 25, pricing went up another $6000 for a Tremor, comparing Lariat Tremor to Tremor as a trim level. In that case, there was a redesign, technologies changed jumping to SYNC4, bigger center screen, bigger instrument cluster screen, 360 camera, etc. Destination and delivery on a 24 was $1595, 25 went to $1695, 26 are at $1845. Weirdly, the Bronco Sport D&D went from $1595 in 2024 to $1995 in 2025 and 2026. Is the price increase actually because of tariffs? Hard to say. The F-150 stayed within $2000 for a W3L/XLT SuperCrew through the same period, but D&D went from $1995 to $2595 to now $2795, and those don't have to be shipped internationally.

Yes, but when Ford increases the MSRP, it DOES affect the price paid to the Dealer. You probably didn't read the Detroit News article, but the basis is that Ford did raise the MSRP on Mexico-produced vehicles as a result of tariffs (as well as other factors). This Reuters article from early May 2025 indicates as such. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-hikes-prices-mexico-produced-models-citing-tariffs-2025-05-07/ DETROIT, May 7 (Reuters) - Ford Motor (F.N), opens new tab has hiked prices on three of its Mexico-produced models effective May 2, becoming one of the first major automakers to adjust sticker prices following U.S. President Donald Trump's tariffs. Prices on the Mustang Mach-E electric SUV, Maverick pickup and Bronco Sport will increase by as much as $2,000 on some models, according to a notice sent to dealers, which was reviewed by Reuters. Ford earlier this week said Trump's trade war would add about $2.5 billion in costs for 2025, but it expects to reduce that exposure by around $1 billion. Rival General Motors (GM.N), opens new tab said last week that tariffs were projected to cost it between $4 billion and $5 billion following the imposition of hefty levies on foreign imports of automobiles, but it expected to offset that by at least 30%. A Ford spokesperson said the price hikes will affect vehicles built after May 2, which would arrive at dealer lots in late June. The spokesperson said the price hikes reflect "usual" mid-year pricing actions, "combined with some tariffs we are facing. We have not passed on the full cost of tariffs to our customers." Ford shares were down 1.7% at $10.26 at midday. The automaker is still running a discount program through the July 4 weekend on many of its models, the spokesperson said. Trump's tariffs have unleashed weeks of uncertainty across the auto sector, as major carmakers in the United States and Europe have pulled forecasts, shifted production and caused companies to idle plants. HRG

I think Aug 10 will be job 1.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kia-recall-telluride-almost-463000-catch-fire-being-driven-parked-nhtsa/ ...and it was a prior recall that wasn't done correctly??