rmc523

Repeating lol....

The ones you'd then say are overly/unnecessarily complicated?

And also how long they stick with it....

So....GM and Ford?

Sure, but I feel it's been pretty bad lately.

We've been saying for a while that tightening the screws too tight on suppliers will come back to bite Ford, and we've been seeing it with warranty issues and supplier relations.

It's possible - they did similar with the Bronco R.

Yup, that's why I used the '97 as a visual reference. I've had an image in my head for a while of what I think it'll look like, but haven't had time to put pencil to paper.

The rumors (and patent drawings) of flip out 3rd row seats of some sort have me wondering on cab shape, though.

I was on the fence between '96 and '97 and couldn't remember which it was lol.

Because people want a swiss army knife of vehicles if they're spending that much. People didn't need Crown Vic sized cars either, but they sold a ton. Technically most need no more than a Smart car on a daily basis.

Yeah, that makes sense - I was just meaning the degree of design change - it'll be different (more unique than current Lightning), but not wildly different (looking like a spaceship), as truck buyers don't like radical change. The Silverado EV is ok, but the Sierra EV looks even better (as the GMCs usually do), IMO.

I think they're going to be similar to the '96 F-150 in that it'll take some getting used to but won't be a massively radical departure like Cybertruck.

That makes sense - I was referring more to the frame, etc. They're not going to wildly recreate all of that just because it's an EREV - they're going to use it as a starting point and modify from there.

Yeah, I guess they're hedging their bets that people will wind up loving T3 and want to keep extra production available. Likewise with Louisville.......unless Louisville is also getting the small Maverick EV van too to keep production up? Pie in the sky, but maybe a T3 Expy/Navi exist and are going there too? Doubtful, but who knows.