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Not many then again, but it is not good for business, I mean didn’t they invite the press to check the factory and the quality checks and etc etc?

I also think this could be a good idea. The Escalade V starts at 162k so that would give a higher ATP

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Well This is subjective, I am on the team that doesn’t like the new front end, it looks really weird IMO, I prefer the old model exterior

But why does it have to come at the expense of other products? Ford has a lot of plants that are under capacity, the problem is that they never wanted to focus on the segment and have never really invested on it. Also, I am sorry but I had read this same speech that making the Navi better, increasing sales as a result, would impact Expy or SD for more than 10 years, heck, even when I was at the university (and that was a looong time ago) and visiting Ford Inside News! Does Ford really don’t have any capacity to change this in a decade? I have read that the Escalade makes GM a lot of profit, why it isn’t the case for Ford? Of course winning comparisons translates into sales but it helps a bit, if not, why is Lincoln promoting that the Nautilus was MT Suv of 2024? Also take into account that the Navi invented the segment and was the leader until Ford stop caring. As others members have said, I just want the Navi to be great, not good enough.

yeah, but I think it is a result of the market growth. The Escalade is also having great numbers, numbers that they haven't achieved for a long time, so I am not 100% sure it is an incredible performance, just the current trend in that segment. Also, should be nice to see the ratio between the 24s and the 25s, because the 24s have a big discount in order to empty that stock

You know that looking at a percentage can be deceiving, that 115% is considering last years numbers that were terrible. May was a good month surpassing 2k, but 1.7k is just a "normal" month for the Navi. Also take into consideration that the Escalade has sold more than 2x the number (24k, 28k if we add the IQs sales)

agree. It has been the case for years for the Navi, it looses in tech and other features that the competition have had for years now. There isn't even much coherence in the lineup, the Aviator has for example soft close door and air suspension, but the Navi doesn't. I still cannot understand the reason behind not having air suspension in the Navi while all the competitors have it. And from the reviews, it seems the interior materials aren't as good as before

I thought that was going to be only on the Navigator. It seems there isn't any tech difference between the Expy and Navi aside from the screen size; sadly, it is the usual way of doing things by Ford

in this case it is the same model as the US. Just a launch "special edition" and one model with two tone paint https://www.lincoln.com.cn/vehicle/suvs-2025navigator/

In more than a few areas sadly. I hope the don't stretch it 6 more years, there is supposed to be a new F150 around the corner so let's hope this helps. This 2025 model was a heavy refresh, the next one has to be a new redesign model with more tech and air suspension. Sales have been great but as you have said, this as as result of the combo 24+25

It is clear that competing with the Escalade was going to be difficult, but losing to the Wagonner (3 years old) really worries me, the Navi is a model that doesn’t even have a year in the market. I haven't been in the new model but it is troublesome to read that the new interior is worse than before. Up to this day, I can't understand the decision not to include air suspension, at least in the BL as you said, even the QX has it now. Also, Lincoln is going after a wellness and comfort mantra, and this kind of ride doesn't fit well with that.

Pure Michigan Luxe SUV Test! 2025 Cadillac Escalade vs. Lincoln Navigator vs. Jeep Grand Wagoneer Comparing the very luxury vehicles used by Detroit Three moguls to shuttle between their primary mansions and their up-north lake places. The Lincoln might be the best choice for trailering novices, tailgate partiers, and folks who end up waiting in their car for a kid’s extracurricular events to end, but in this contest its ride quality, interior materials, noise levels, and rear exterior design land it in third. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2025-cadillac-escalade-vs-lincoln-navigator-vs-jeep-grand-wagoneer-comparison-test-review

Agree, also I think they can improve the camera, a lot of competitors have a 3d option. I also think the map section could take up more space in the display