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No argument to that as its all sound, but Then why even submit the vehicle to a comparison test if in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter? I could be wrong, but to me, if you offered a product that meets or exceeds the other options, then the customer base will increase, mitigating any profit loss from r&d. Yes, gm has more to work with, but that didnt stop jeep, which had absolutely nothing but a ram 1500 chassis. Lexus lx has a low take rate and volume, but that didnt stop them, same with infiniti. Why are we excusing ford? Again, its one thing if all those reasons were correct, but then why increase the price of the product? Its not adding up is all I'm saying. I just want the nav to be great, not good enough, and throughout its lifestyle, it seems lincoln and ford improve greatly on the product but cut corners that prevent it from reaching its full potential(gens 2 and 4), then the following generation, throw all that out the window with a product thats feels inferior to the previous one(gen 3 and 5).

Agreed and That's the worst part. The navigator bones and foundation is always good, but ford/lincoln doesn't want to expound on it to make a more compelling, more desirable product. The ford f150 has a hybrid engine and multiple v8s that would be perfect in the nav, they added neither. Why not offer multiple engine options? They included a very nice 48in screen, but limited tech options as compared to its competitors, why not add widgets for night vision, AR views, digital rear view, sound bars, etc? They revised the suspension, but still do not add an air suspension option. Why? For this peer set, it shouldve been mandatory on atleast black label. These are things that a customer spending 120k+ is going to think about, and as nice as the navigator is, those extra things that seem kinda dumb and unnecessary is why people choose the escalade over the navigator, 3 to 1. I do believe ford will add a bunch of stuff for the 26 model year to include the new bluecruise, but the 2025s shouldve been a home run but seems more like a triple.

Prior to 2025, the escalades 2nd row wasn't horrific, just odd design choices that people were more than willing to live with.

If I remember correctly, the plan was to discontinue the cx5 for the cx50, but then cx5 sales exploded and is technicallly keeping the company afloat.

Expy and navigator had air suspension until 2014. Why ford refuses to add it is a mystery. Apparently, during the 5th gen presses, they said the customers didnt want it, but everyone on the 4th gen forums have been either asking for it or lamenting the ride quality in comparison to others. As well as soft close doors, they also offer some type of niche camera system such as night vision or under carriage views. Its a shame, because the 4th gen until the refresh was a compelling product, but like you said, lincoln refuses to make the navigator a worthy flagship, considering how much they are charging. Atleast the expy missing some features won't be missed as much since it does have cinsiderable feature content on par with its peers, and as a while, feels up to par. Im also noticing, many people are starting to have quality issues with their navigators, but not much if anyone has had any actual issues with their expys.

They seem to really like the car. Unlike the navigator, the expy has been getting glowing reviews.

That last statement doesn't make sense in this case because the reason you said you liked for gm to have it would pertain to the ford as well. People buy the expy to tow and haul stuff. Theres been ple ty of times i wished i had it, from hauling furniture to a full load of people. Normally its not a bother, but buyers who aren't brand loyal look for this kind of stuff, and its off putting as a buyer for one vehicle to not have something every other competitor has, especially if they are marketing this truck as a tech forward product. Honestly, they can just add a widget the shows the rear camera feed full time that way it doesn't get in the way of the regular mirror.

That and massaging seats, and ventilated 2nd row seats, and digital rearview.

I believe the phone as a key is only on stealth and ultimate pkgs per order guide. Kr its not available.

The concept expeditions design and shape is very reminiscent of the hybrid ford was promoting some years back. Some hire ups definitely hindered what could've been for these trucks.

2018 was a huge step up, but they didnt capitalize on its success. Its easy for gm to throw the kitchen sink at the escalade, it makes them way too much money. But for jeep to come out with a whole new luxurious and tech forward product with no previous base and as a 3 yr old platform still beat what lincoln claims is a new model is embarrassing for them. Who did they benchmark and how did that translate to dev? By no means is the new navigator a bad truck, but compared to its contemporaries, they dropped the ball heavily. The expy feels like a better product because it feels more competitive to its competitors at a cheaper price.

After driving tthe new navigator, I can agree with some of the criticism: the interior doesn't feel as nice as before, the center screen is too low and absorbs too many functions, and the seats are too bolstered/aggressively inflated for comfort. At first, I didnt think what they said about the ride was really spot on until they showed the footage. It looks like most of the time, they drove back roads, which i can see not playing in the navs corner well. Why lincoln didnt do air suspension atleast on black label is still a huge miss the dev team. Hopefully lincoln can make improvements little by little, but this doesn't bold well for a brand new product. Ford has a habit of cutting corners with these fs suvs but ballooning the price of then and its gonna hurt them again.

Turn on Shuffle...every car alphabetizes the root playlist because your USB drive will order the files that way. You can make a playlist, but even then those songs will be ordered in alpha order unless it's an album with a set track list.

Damn that's a sexy machine congrats

The device holder is a late availability item. It was on the order guide. Ford Authority reported it would be added on job 2 of the builds, which is in summer time.