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Hi. Actual electrician here. This in no way stupid. The code exists for a reason, and believe me I’m a big less regulations are better kind of guy. Even if it’s a 30 amp charger there’s still a lot to consider when deciding on wire size and length, whether or not to you want to backfeed to the panel in the event of a power outage and in that case if you do a transfer switch will be required by the utility (and code, it’s treated similar to a generator). This is not something the average DIY hack should ever consider doing.

Coulda woulda shoulda. Just build something already, or at least show some prototypes.

Oof that just fucking ugly lol

I noticed the other day that my dryer is powered by Ford 😛

Every decision Ford has made about this gen Escape has turned out to be questionable at best and downright baffling for the most part. It's really crazy how much they got wrong compare to RAV4 or CR-V. From the beginning they made the car too small and saddled it with a cheap interior. All the way to the end axing the car, which is in the biggest selling volume segment, without a proper replacement.

We want wagons! We want wagons! Here’s a wagon…. We don’t like that one.

If you want to ride eyes off take the bus, train, plane, uber, taxi, lyft etc.

I don't know if I'll ever be able to "drive" "eyes-off." We have BlueCruise in the Mach-E, and while it won't let you take your eyes off the road for more than a few seconds, I tried it. I tried closing my eyes (with my wife in the passenger seat watching, no traffic around, straight road) long enough for the "eyes on the road" warning to come on and I just couldn't do it. I just can't do it.

Sell vehicle outright, invest at 4.5%, buy at 0%. That's a big win if you're in the market.

This is not surprising. 1. It is the cheapest Ford you can buy 2. It has no real competition 3. Ford doesn't have an alt-sedan to compete in-house for these same buyers 4. It is a very good idea and executed well... shocking competence from Ford all around

Here are Ford's sales good to great numbers.....here are Ford's Q2 results https://s205.q4cdn.com/882619693/files/doc_news/2025/Jul/01/Ford-U-S-Q2-2025-Sales-Release.pdf And here are June monthly sales:

It’s not stupid when you’re talking about 50 amp double pole circuits. Lots of calculations to be made on wire size, length and more importantly capacity of the existing system. Permits and inspections are already required in most localities and most DIYers wouldn’t get a permit or inspection anyway.

Putting 8 different bodies on top of a shared chassis? Stop the presses! Why didn't someone think of this idea before? Some of these publications are really grasping at the straws 😄

Don’t forget when they actually do go on sale, they will no longer be low cost. Then they won’t update it for years which will eventually lead to its cancellation anyway.

Nothing wrong with more profit until you start taking too many risks. It’s like gambling with no car insurance. You save money but if you’re unlucky it can be catastrophic. Replacing Fusion with Maverick and Bronco Sport was a good move with little risk. Killing Edge and Nautilus for 3 row EVs was a huge risk that ended up being disastrous.

Looks like a tremor?? Did you acquire Borg’s famous X-ray vision?

Tesla already proved it’s not safe.

The idea that Escape buyers know or care about what’s under the hood is hilarious. Or any other basic transport vehicle. We enthusiasts severely overestimate the general car buying public’s knowledge and interest.

I’ve been very pleased with my wife’s Maverick. It’s a bit loud, and sounds a bit like a sewing machine, but in part I may just be too used to my Lightning.

Why aren't we talking about styling direction for Transit? 😆 It is the most iconic Ford. Certainly the one that is sold in most places.

Just wait for the additional doors to join the pack. Also heard the “New Edge” styling of the 1999-2004 Mustang might make a subtle reappearance at some point.

Black label went part of the way towards matching the level of customised interior trim selection in Escalade, I think that’s still an issue for the high end buyers plus those people probably expect a V8 to go with top money. You can see that Ford is not interested in going down those rabbit holes, mostly because it has been gearing up for a 3-Row BEV Lincoln for years but simply can’t get that done (Rivian based Lincoln) until T3 3-Row SUV drops. Looks like Lincoln is still stuck between two plans?

Low Cost Ford EV Platform Will Support Up To Eight Body Styles According to Axios, the low-cost Ford EV platform will support up to eight body styles, a revelation that came from Lisa Drake, Ford’s vice president of Technology Platform Programs and EV Systems, while she was speaking with investors last week. Drake noted that these vehicles could include crossovers, trucks, and even possibly sedans, all of which will use lithium-iron phosphate (LFP) batteries that are being developed with technology licensed from CATL and built in the U.S., all with an effort to keep costs as low as possible. --- Knowing Ford, that's 8 over the next 30 years, 6 of which will be cancelled next year, 4 revived the year after that, before being cancelled for good, alongside the discontinuation of 2 other models in the lineup without replacements...

So I revamped my charts and I put together a look at the entire truck market for all of the competitors in each segment (I didn't do ICE vans, though) - enjoy...... Also, Tesla and Rivian haven't reported any figures yet, but I'm not going to wait on them, as they're weird in their reporting anyway. Please note, it's been a lot of work to create this new setup when I've have time, so there may be some errors - let me know if you see any....thanks!

Ford's in a flux state as is the EV market in general. The recent story about customers "not caring about engines" and the Navigator coming 3rd-of-3 when compared against its domestic competitors are subjects to muddy the optics. The low cost EVs, plus real showings of direction heading forward can't come soon enough...and, I hope the R&D for ICE engines gets some re-prioritization as the world seems to be reconsidering the overly-aggressive shift to EVs.

Thanks my friend rmc523, you're a master of the quarterly sales spreadsheets! 😊 Like you said the numbers are mostly good to great. The 31% decline in EV sales in Q2 is a sore spot though. GM sold more Chevy Equinox EV in Q2 than Ford's entire EV lineup. New products from Ford's low cost EV platform can't come soon enough

Sure, but his point is not all recalls are the same. Similar to on those quality reports - someone not knowing how to program their bluetooth is different than the screen went blank and a wheel fell off.

I get these brands want to be secretive, but I've been saying for some time I'd like it if Ford openly revealed design sketches, and concepts to the public years in advance instead of revealing them right before production. Give designers time to change styling cues if they aren't well received by the public instead of only revealing something once the design is locked in.

Translation - we already spent the money and overcommitted to get there please don’t make us start over.

Huh? Rperez said they were making 300 changes every month………… 😂😂

At the very least they need to allow it to be turned off permanently. Forcing people to hit the button every time accomplishes nothing. People who don’t want it turn it off. Remember what Mark K had to do to get around the EPA rules on the 2000 LS selectshift manual mode? Had to start in 2nd gear but if you nailed the throttle it would immediately downshift to first because the EPA test never went full throttle. Stupid games.

https://fordauthority.com/2025/07/this-data-point-about-ford-maverick-buyers-may-surprise-you/

I agree – my mother-in-law bought a bronco sport six months ago, and I doubt she could tell you how many cylinders it has. All she cared about is that she liked the way it looked,how I drove, and what it cost. As long as it drives well I don’t think the specifics of the engine matter for a mass market vehicle.

Well, her only concern was whether or not it can pass other vehicles when she wants it to....it does and she is happy. I typically don't drive her car but will occasionally ride in it....I am an enthusiast as well, but more than anything else, I am an enthusiast of her being happy....she is so I am good.

Sounds like a CYA plan for the plant if EV sales don't take off like they plan.

If only people had been saying power will be an issue for years...

The exclusion list is ridiculous.

Rumor has it they're adding a new crease line down the side on the next gen model! VERY exciting stuff!

With the discontinuation of the tax credits to EV's, the competition will shake out the weaker players and we should begin to see steadier improvement of the segment to spur sales the old fashioned way, by providing better products.

Well, I could see Explorer/Aviator continuing on CD6 for some time, just getting updates, and maybe rebody/new panels. I don't see a midsize coming off of it, as they started down that path, and apparently it didn't look right, with it getting cancelled. I see midsize being filled by C2, like it has been with Nautilus......they just need to do something with Edge....either just bring over the Chinese one (I'm not a fan of its design, nor do I think it fits the traditional Edge design, but at least it's something), or rebody Nautilus with Ford styling (unique panels all around). I could also see them just going to C2 for Explorer/Aviator for platform consolidation, though obviously that could harm Aviator's "premium" image. Explorer could do fine without CD6/RWD, as we saw with the '11-19 model. Interesting thought.....hadn't considered that before, as the PHEV is already around, and could more or less be plug and play. Regardless, Farley has publicly stuck to the "everything electrified" by 2030ish path (for now anyway with how they change plans), so we'll see some sort of hybrid eventually.... I hate this excuse. While it makes things simpler/cheaper for manufacturing, I view it as cheapening out. The same excuse was given for say multi-color interior lighting, rear door handle proximity key sensors, etc......allowing Ford to shave costs off, give customers less, and still charge the same or more.

Meanwhile in Germany…….

Was looking for Ford Escape/Kuga....oh, wait.....

But why does it have to come at the expense of other products? Ford has a lot of plants that are under capacity, the problem is that they never wanted to focus on the segment and have never really invested on it. Also, I am sorry but I had read this same speech that making the Navi better, increasing sales as a result, would impact Expy or SD for more than 10 years, heck, even when I was at the university (and that was a looong time ago) and visiting Ford Inside News! Does Ford really don’t have any capacity to change this in a decade? I have read that the Escalade makes GM a lot of profit, why it isn’t the case for Ford? Of course winning comparisons translates into sales but it helps a bit, if not, why is Lincoln promoting that the Nautilus was MT Suv of 2024? Also take into account that the Navi invented the segment and was the leader until Ford stop caring. As others members have said, I just want the Navi to be great, not good enough.

Somehow better than Toyota still.

You can have any color you want as long as it’s grayscale

Everybody is screaming, "I want a cheap car" (aka, the mythical $20,000 EV) but when a company actually does it and puts out a cheap car (steelies with plastic covers, simple taillight design, no frills interior) everybody bitches about it.

A big part of future CE1 model roll out and timing is now about what Ford does with its ICE PHEVs that people now seem more open to buying. Its an interesting time for Ford and hoping they don’t lock into either/or choice but press forward with both types of vehicles and let buyers decide what they want.

It really just boils down to a $1500 savings (cost of an extended powertrain warranty). And we don’t know if they raised prices and/or cut incentives to offset it. Really just a PR move.

The vibe I'm getting is Ford is done with engineering their own 1.5 3 cylinders because no-one cares about those engines, and the lifespan of them is very limited, so it's hard to justify future investment in developing them any further. EVs, especially affordable EVs, are gonna become the go to option in the future for people who just want easy, reliable, low hassle transportation. That's all the people currently buying crossovers with sewing machine engines. If I put an electric compact crossover in front of someone that looks better than an escape, is cheaper and more reliable to own long term, is more refined, and quieter inside, and better to drive, most people are gonna buy the electric escape. I personally believe Fords future is gonna be a lot of it's icons still using gas engines, but hybridized, think a 5.0 mustang hybrid in a decade, or a 2.7 hybrid bronco. Then you'll have buyers that want EVs like CE1 because they're just better options for the people who want reliable transportation pods. Then you'll have a third, relatively small group, that doesn't want aspirational products like mustang, but also isn't ready to go EV yet. That's the crowd who Ford will outsource engines for. People who still want a gas engine, but don't care what kind it is, and are just waiting a few more years until buying an EV. It makes a lot of sense to have this strategy. Invest in powertrains where people actually care out them, outsource the work to another company to save a ton of money for vehicles where buyers don't care. It's a win-win as long as the quality of those powertrains is world class.