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Borg is exactly the person you give intentionally bad information to just to see where leaks are coming from. Take anything he says with a grain of salt

Not as great as the late 70s dentsides.

I was over my parents this weekend and finally got a shot of the garage-my dad used to work at Edison for years and this his collection of Ranger related stuff he collected there. He also was there when the plant built Pintos/bobcats and Escort/Lynx back in the early 1980s. He had another cabinet that had badges on it, but not sure where that winded up.

Reminds me of my favorite joke. Young game warden sees a man on the river with a bucket of fish and a pole. Asks for his fishing license. Man says he wasn't fishing. He says these are my pet fish I bring them to the river twice a week for exercise. I dump them in, wait 5 minutes and when I whistle they jump back in the bucket. Game Warden says no way. Guy says let me prove it to you and if I'm wrong you can give me the ticket. Warden says ok. The guy dumps out the fish and sits on the bucket. After 5 minutes the warden says "well?" "Well what?" "Aren't you going to call your fish?" "What fish?"

You got it! If I could get an F600 in a crew cab lariat, I'd get that! 😄 This camper is what's going on the back of it.

with a 26 Black Label hybrid. Whisper Blue/Cashmere jet pkg. It's super loaded and super comfy.

AI, no. The rest is true though

I always loved the two-tone late 80's/early 90's trucks!

So there is a discussion going on in the MKZ Facebook group and someone commented that Ford gave up on Ford sedans a very long time ago that the MKZ is nothing more than a re-badged Mazda and that all MKZs share a ton of parts with Mazdas. I informed him he was wrong that CD3 was Mazda based but CD4 was an in house Ford design and a merger of EUCD. He then told me that I was wrong that CD4 and CD6 are just warmed over and stretched CD3. I told him his information is very wrong and not sure where he's getting it to which he told me he works for a T1 Ford supplier and gets his info from Ford engineers. Thought you guys here would find that hilarious.

Wow what a concept.

Get off my lawn!

Vehicles existed before 1990, (my year of birth)??? I thought y'all pedaled things Flintstones style.

The red and white stripe combo looks sharp

HP wars like this are ridiculous. You won't notice the difference between 500/1200 and 555/1230. Both use torque management to protect the driveline in the lower gears, so off-the-line feel will likely be similar. Maybe towing 40k lbs. you would notice a small difference towing up to the Eisenhower tunnel, but 99% of people won't notice an appreciable difference. Pretty sure the 330/950 coming in my cab & chassis will be sufficient for my use (~24k loaded).

Ironically I am finally going through years of Ford brochures I collected since 1980 and found this pamphlet on the Edison plant! I think a few of my fellow Mustang Club members got a tour in the 1990’s.

CX810 is the replacement for Chinese CD6 Explorer but the two will probably live side by side for a while before Ford decides whether to pull the plug on the (badly aging) CD6 Explorer in China. The Lincoln version is obviously the replacement for CD6 Aviator. CX810 is Chang'an Ford product, not Jiangling Ford which has Bronco Basecamp. Two different models. Brand: Chang'an Ford / Jiangling Ford Compact: Escape / Equator Sport (Territory) Midsize: Edge L / Equator Large: Explorer / Bronco Basecamp

Loyalty?!? It's all about making $$ in a capitalistic system that also enhances investor value.

The 4th Gen Camaro called, they want their rear spoiler back,,,,, HRG

I don’t think the F-100 becomes smaller than the current Ranger. The current Ranger doesn’t slot very well between the Maverick and F-150 (it is closer in size to the Maverick). The F-100 likely grows a little larger than the current Ranger and the Tacoma. That is also the hint from our Aussie friend.

Early observations: It really is gorgeous. They nailed the design inside and out and the black label interior is top notch. I actually like this design a little better than the 27 plus we both like whisper blue better than the 27 blue which is a bit darker. It is quite a bit larger than previous model. Feels as big as an Aviator inside (without the 3rd row). Seats were the main reason we upgraded for road trips and they are significantly more comfortable and the cooling function actually works. On the 16 and 22 you couldn't tell it was on. The wraparound dash display is awesome - simple to manage and not distracting at all. Looking forward to bluecruise. Digital scents and the rejuvenate function are really cool. Probably won't use it much. The 28 speaker Revel system sounds great. Pretty much an upgrade in every facet - bigger, better looking, more comfy, more tech, more power and better mpg. And it still fits easily in the garage. More importantly Mama is happy! And we got 0% financing so my financial advisor will be happy leaving that money invested.

You can't force people to buy something they don't want either. I wouldn't mind getting an EV, but at the same time I don't want an Ikea style car that is simplified and has no soul to it (which I also get since EVs are fighting for every electron they can get for range, thus why they can be this way) I wouldn't mind a Mach E, but by the time in the market for another car, I don't expect it to be in production and it will need some major updating since it will be on the market for 8 years at that point. We also can't really use this year as a indication of EV sales either-lots of sales where pulled ahead with the elimination of EV credits from the federal government and state governments. I'm curious as to how well the Fathom and Slate do next year, I still think there is a lot of resistance from buyers with EVs and both may not resonate with buyers. If gas prices go back down to 3 bucks or less a gallon, there will be even less appeal from people who might be on the fence about it. Personally I'd be shocked if Ford can sell 100K Fathoms in 12 months. I think they might be able to hit 50K, given the current market conditions.

Think the vast majority of makers aren't selling cars to "fleet" markets aren't discounting them to the point that they aren't making money on them. Manufactures pretty much stopped over producing back before 2010, if not earlier. That is also bore out by how expensive the used car market is and how low the supply is vs what it was say 30 years ago.

Here are September sales results and Q3 Truck comparison: Still waiting on Rivian and Tesla sales for reference.

what the actual F? That pricing is absurd. Meanwhile they used to come from the factory like that...

Crazy kids! you missed some of the best years for cars.

CEO Jim Farley Says Ford Fathom Production Might Not Happen In 2027 In a recent interview with Automotive News, Ford CEO Jim Farley admitted that the automaker is still working through some kinks as it pertains to UEV production, which could impact the launch of the Ford Fathom. “We haven’t landed the plane on mass production of UEV yet,” Farley said. “It’s going to be a heck of an effort to launch this at scale, at cost, on time.”

Fixed the headline.

What the liberals continue to ignore is that the higher targets made cheap small cars untenable and pushed mfrs to bigger more expensive suvs and trucks. Good intentions but completely out of touch with reality and common sense. No mfr is going backwards on fuel economy and we will see more smaller cheaper vehicles.

Ford would start by offering 19 views at launch but only have 4 left by the end of the model run.

I'd say it's likely that they're based on the same platform, but they're definitely not just a few different panels.....the windshield angle is different, "prestige gap" different, wheel cuts, etc etc, and everything else is different too lol. As usual, Lincoln China gets nice new products while we get the retreads (Corsair). It'll be nice to see us finally get some product down the road.

It is but I'm also going with that they are getting some sort of government kickback to, because there is just no way that a company can actually make money on something like that with that type of tech in it.

Aside from the direct costs of physically shutting a plant down, closing a factory means it and the fixed capital inside’s value as an asset plummets. This is a loss that won’t be realized until you sell what remains of the asset. You also cancel supplier contracts which incurs monetary costs. Cancelling product development means everything invested into that program goes to zero, firing workers costs severance etc. Volkswagen/VAG had a business model where they built shit in Germany and exported it everywhere else. This worked because of free trade and all costs (shipping, energy, etc) were cheap. The recent geopolitical developments in trade, the Middle East, and Russia/Ukraine have specifically made all of these factors turn completely against the model of building things in Germany and exporting globally. Combined with VAG incompetence in the US and China, you run into their current situation of having like 100 redundant models, employing 2x the amount of workers Toyota does, all located in a country that is suddenly not very good to build cars in, bringing in the same amount of revenue as Toyota does. This additional 50k cuts feels a bit luxurious, chasing a profit margin for the sake of the profit margin. But overall their business model had a perfect storm (a lot of which was their own poor decision making) and now they have to shift towards a more localized production system with a leaner, focused, localized product range. They would probably like to be like Toyota but are more likely to end up like Ford, GM, Renault. Worst case scenario they become like Stellantis where you have a core that doesn’t suck (Fiat, Jeep, Ram) and a lot of bullshit that does suck (everything else) but unlike Stellantis they are probably cutting useless brands like SEAT, selling Ducati, getting out of Bugatti, and so on.

Severance pay, pensions, asset writeoffs, lease buyouts, taxes, HR..... etc etc A lot of it is paper losses.

Nope! Going smaller since our kids rarely go with us anymore. We'll be able to get into national parks and a lot of dispersed camping areas that we couldn't take our big fifth wheel. And we'll be able to tow the Bronco behind us for better maneuverability without the camper as well.

Meanwhile Flat Rock waiting for its paint shop to produce taller models.....

To keep the momentum going.... Mine showed up today !

The complaints I hear have nothing to do with capability or SUVs. The purists I refer to are specifically discussing 3 and 5 series sedans. Too heavy, too big, too soft, no manuals, too much tech, etc. No soul (whatever that means). The mighty M5 has grown into a 5000 pound PHEV. It certainly does not lack capability but it is not the edgy, raw boned machine of old. I was a Lincoln buyer for years until they left the sedan market. I was very surprised when I first drove a 5 series BMW in 2022. It did the quiet luxury thing better than my Continental. It was smoother, quieter and more refined. Lincoln has done a much better job with their SUVs than they did with sedans. By all accounts, they are among the best even though still based on Ford bones. What if they put that level of effort into a mid size sedan? As has already been said, if Ford does a sedan based off the Mustang, a Lincolnized version might make sense.

Otherwise known as echo chambers full of confirmation bias and fake news. The problem is you ask teens and 20 somethings where they get news they say tik tok. Not that mainstream media isn't biased and wrong a lot but it beats the hell out of tik tok and Instagram. Combine that with not teaching relevant history in school and they have no context of actual communism, socialism, racism, fascists and genocide nor do they understand the history of the middle east. So frustrating.

No reason to choose a sedan over a hatchback or utility other than price in this type of vehicle. A high performance sedan is a different story but that's a different class.

I am hearing 6.7L Powerstroke powered F-650's and 750's will again be available in California for the 2028 model year. Order banks will open Oct. 13th. and the 2028 MY production will start Jan. 11th, 2027. Ford has committed to medium duty production at Avon Lake through April 2028 under the current UAW contract.

its genetics and the other thing I've noticed is if people smoke or are generally unhealthy. Funny story about making assumptions about peoples age-my dad used to go to work everyday with a hat on-all the time till he forgot it one day. Everyone he worked with was shocked-they thought he was going bald when still had full head of hair! LOL

FTR I figure this will force some sort of clarification because Ford Authority is an idiot

You're right. A modern Jeep would literally run circles around a willys jeep on and off road, literally and figuratively.

2027 Mustang order bank opens on or around Oct 13. Expect the order guide to be out somewhere around that time. Job 1 isn't until January 2027. As always this may change at any time.

I'm loving this discussion, that was the whole purpose behind this. It very well may never be built due to a number of factors, but pipe-dreaming is one of my talents. I can definitely get behind the idea of a rear-mid engine performance/luxury from Ford that I could possibly afford. The mustang and especially the S650 has such a great shape it would be a shame to alter it to make it mid engine. After I did this project I realized there were other nameplates that could have been used (I.e. Torino, Falcon, etc), I'm sure I landed on Thunderbird because my grandma had one. I'm also not opposed to this concept becoming a Lincoln offering either. The luxury angle would be a solid play. Honestly, if the Mercury brand was still alive the Cougar nameplate comes to mind. Either way, watching this discussion has been great. Thank you all.

Question for you @jpd80 as our resident Aussie market expert...... American Ford Bronco Rejected For Australian Market According to Drive, Ford deemed the American Bronco a bit too "niche" for the Australian market, and instead, it has opted to sell the Ford Bronco Basecamp in that country, as Ford Authority reported earlier this week. “If you think about the U.S. Bronco, it is quite an extreme off-road vehicle – you take the doors off, you can take the roof off – it’s quite an extreme vehicle,” said Ford Australia president and CEO, Fadi Mawal. “When we looked at that, we felt we could bring that into Australia, but it would be quite niche." “We weren’t sure it would be the best fit for our market, whereas you look at Bronco Basecamp, it’s got a lot of the capability of Bronco, it’s got a lot of the attributes of Bronco, it’s got similar styling themes, but it’s more on-road use, it can do adventure and city, and it’s super hybrid. We feel it’s got the right combination of attributes that matches Australian consumers.” Let's say Ford had offered a powertrain that complied with local regulations (hybrid or whatever).......so, my question is .....do you agree with this assessment that our Bronco would've been too "niche" for the Aussie market? Seems kind of dumb to me...

For me it's the stubby bed. The supercab looked way better with the longer bed.

Been saying it for years that half ton trucks in general are getting too big and the first one to slot in just under it will reap the rewards. Ford seems like a natural since that is pretty much all that is left in Ford's line....trucks.

Ford CEO Jim Farley Gushes About Vehicles In Development In a recent post on Instagram, Farley gushed about the current state of the company's vehicle development process and some of the products that will stem from that. "Just wrapped one of the most ambitious Product Days in my time at Ford," Farley wrote. "We worked on the future of …. Super Duty. Explorer. Raptor. Our next-gen Universal EV portfolio. The Ford digital experience. I’ve never seen a product plan like the one baking in Ford’s oven right now. And this is just the start." While I don't want time to go any faster than it already is (and seemingly going faster), it'd be nice to finally see some of these products instead of the redesign/product drought we've had for a while now...