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It will be interesting to see if the lower half folds down or if it folds up like a traditional liftgate (similar to the '03-'05 Explorer). Especially on a vehicle this large with a massive third row cargo area, the flip down approach will make it harder to reach further into the vehicle. A screen does not make an interior. You're acting like you know every single item will be identical and swap out badges. This is the Expy's interior. We unfortunately haven't seen Navigator's yet, but we do know that Lincoln uses a more horizontal theme, and has elements like the piano shifter buttons, which means the entire dash beneath the screen can and likely will be completely unique. I'd imagine Navigator's interior will take cues from the Nautilus look with the full width horizontal vent, and a lot of the detailing seems to match the look of the Star concept, which will give a completely unique look vs. Expy. Let's not panic before seeing it.

2024 Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Chevrolet Colorado: Midsize Trucks Throw Down! (motortrend.com) Chevrolet’s updated Colorado is an impressive truck—impressive enough to have won our coveted Truck of the Year award for 2024. It’s worth noting the Colorado and its classy near-twin, the GMC Canyon, were the only midsizers in this year’s TOTY competition; the 2024 Toyota Tacoma wasn’t yet available, and the 2024 Ford Ranger was held up by strike-related shortages. Now, however, we’ve gotten our hands on both promising rivals. We know they’re greatly improved over their predecessors, but can they topple the Chevy?

I didn't realize they bumped up that high.

An Alfa with a Dodge badge?

I am still not seeing the split design. I see the cut line below the liftgate lights, but that is a miraculous panel gap for something that everyone is suspecting opens and closes - I don't see it being possible. I think it's just a separate upper plastic piece like Tahoe (and Yukon and Escalade) have had for 2 generations now.... Expedition has also had similar for the current gen, it's just hidden by full width naming panels and/or a decorative chrome bar: I still don't like the look of the taillights, and think the liftgate lights are going to look horribly tacked on, as they don't appear to have any visual connection aside from just being there.

We'll see how adventurous I get with it haha. 2018 would also be a good reference point with Navigator's redesign, but that would be 25 quarters lol....

I used to compare Cadillac and Lincoln......It became less "exciting" when GM switched to quarterly. But I can work on putting something together......how far back do we want to go before Grand Wagoneer?

Probably just a GT500. This is the closest picture/angle I found... This is far better than the Fox body ones. I get it, just saying the first thing I thought of when I saw it was the Camaro wheels.

Of course. Believe it or not, it's fun for me lol. Yeah, I gave up on monthly with other brands, and only assemble the quarterly comparison of the brands for trucks. It'd be too much work otherwise. The production figures above are from Ford's press release though (for some reason Dec 2023 didn't have them, that's why I used Nov).

In 2023, there was a dip to just 82 units in October that could theoretically have caused a ripple in sales in Q1, but production has been around 12k per month for Jan/Feb, and almost 10k for March this year, so sales should have balanced out by now, if it was from the October production issue. And while anecdotal, I too will echo sentiments that dealers now have inventory of Broncos - regular and Raptor - on the lot (though likely still with addendums, which could also be why they're not moving). I'd agree that we should wait and see the end of year results before saying the roof is falling, but I really think they need to look at pricing.

I doubt it's much... You're just trolling at this point. This is a ridiculous take.

Bronco sales are down 25.79% for the year through March.

Sounds nice, but publicly they've basically said Lincoln has nothing on the horizon aside from Navigator. Ford plans change on a whim, though, so it'll be interesting to see what they add. If they could just stick to a plan lol....

It looks nice, though the wheels remind me of Camaro. But at the end of the day, as I said when they teased it, it's just a sticker package.....there was no need to tease it, IMO.

They need to lower prices like they've done on Mach E and Lightning. Somewhere in between release pricing and what they have now.

** Until the current plan changes in 3 months for another new plan lol.

I still hate how tall the front ends of the GM trucks and suvs are - they need to lower the hoods.

I'm not saying boxy is bad (I've had a Flex and Bronco, after all), just that on that new Land Cruiser every single element on the front end is a box - they could do with adding some other elements - the base models have round headlights, for instance that create some visual interest other than 8,000 box shapes.

But I wonder if it's that or if it's more that they don't want to backtrack on the "all things trucks and SUVs, no sedans" mantra to prove they're right?

I usually can tell when someone has their brights on, but there are definitely times where I'm not sure and hesitate to flash. Oh yes. In Miami, leaving space between you and the car in front of you is only room for someone to scoot in between. Sadly, you get forced to drive that way or you'll continually get cut off.....and the auto cruise control systems are too "dumb" to realize you could coast to the preset speed rather than slam on the brakes.

I've long said they already did the work for Mondeo and Zephyr for overseas....just import medium to high trim models only (no low trims) and keep prices up that way.

Toyota borrowed GM's T-square when designing the Land Cruiser.

Lol, clearly you haven't been to South Florida.....folks here honk before the light turns green lol.

I understand too - but it has seemed like those sorts of upgrades can be swapped out "on the fly" after production has started, rather than continually pushing back new product. As I pointed out above, it'd be a bit different story if ICE products weren't gutted for EVs, so now it's the worst of both worlds - EV product delays and limited new/updated ICE products until they can push both out.

I also think this EV delay would be more of a moot point (i.e. wait until they get them right outside of Mach E/Lightning that are already here) if they'd stick to consistent refreshes/redesigns of their entire product line. Instead, we continually have abnormally long product cycles - 4-5 years for refreshes, 7-8 years (or longer in Edge's case) for non F-series products, while the competition is on 3-6 year cycles for most products like clockwork.