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Oh, I hadn't seen the order guide. That tells me it's probably the same size hole in the roof, it just doesn't open. Probably reusing the same shade mechanism.

On the current version. We don't know about this new fixed roof setup. Mach E doesn't have one.

I think they'll be down to 2 products soon (QX60 & QX80), IIRC.

I think it's Ford just cheapening out. They can now put a single glass piece in instead of all the mechanical hardware, channels, power, etc. needed to have an openable sunroof. I'm guessing they won't even put a shade either (like Mach E). As I said above, many other companies are doing this too, so it's not just Ford, but it sucks to have it, then take it away. The only "positive" I could see from this is that perhaps they'll be able to make the opening larger since they don't have to have those mechanical parts anymore?

Eh, it's not bad looking, but I've always liked Navigator better. The GM triplets do look more athletic. I actually like the Escalade IQ's looks too. I think it stems back to Ford dropping the ball on the 3rd gen Navigator with weird styling, and then they hung it (and Expy) out to dry for way too long before finally redesigning it. The 18 was a massive step forward, and sales have gone up, but they set themselves back years ago and haven't recovered yet (vs. Escalade). Obviously there are other factors like factory space and whatnot that were pointed out above, but still...

It'll be interesting to see if/how they'll redistribute SD production and if they'll bump up Expy/Navi production.

It has a fixed glass roof, which is what many automakers are going toward, unfortunately. Come on man, re-read the sentence you quoted. No it doesn't...... 2026 Ford Explorer is losing its Panoramic Vista Roof, replacing it with the optional Panoramic Fixed Glass Roof. As a reminder, the Panoramic Vista Roof offers a moonroof component, meaning it can be partially opened. the sentence you quoted is reminding you that the panoramic vista roof - which Explorer is losing (i.e. discontinued) - had the ability to open it. The vista roof is now being replaced by a fixed glass roof option.

Who knows. They're in a weird product place right now.

Remember, the Heavy truck sales are dependent on fleet buyers, so there may have been big orders in Q2 last year that weren't this year. But I agree about doing more for the segment.

I think most of us expected it to have a hybrid option, and were surprised when it didn't. Ford has publicly stated they're still planning on having the whole lineup "electrified" (hybrid or EV) by....2030 I think, so it seems like it's still coming, but the question is when?

Unfortunately, Ford isn't breaking down production numbers of E-Transit (or Lightning), nor inventory levels.....I was trying to find if it's something related to production.

As I said in the other thread, none of us are saying the new Navigator is terrible, just that Ford didn't push far enough. It's great that sales are their strongest in years, decades even, but it'll be interesting to see what happens as '24 inventory clears out, and whether it can maintain this pace.

You are correct in a sense that GM has traditionally skipped MCEs and just done new version every 5-6 years, but sales have remained strong. I'd say your comment is an exaggeration, IMO. While it may not have had some of the creature comforts others offered, embarrassing is a strong word. But it also offered features elsewhere (ex. night vision) that others didn't have that sort of offset the second row limitations. --- None of us are saying the new Navigator is terrible, just that Ford didn't push far enough. Sales are their strongest in years, decades even, but it'll be interesting to see what happens as '24 inventory clears out.

So I revamped my charts and I put together a look at the entire truck market for all of the competitors in each segment (I didn't do ICE vans, though) - enjoy...... Also, Tesla and Rivian haven't reported any figures yet, but I'm not going to wait on them, as they're weird in their reporting anyway. Please note, it's been a lot of work to create this new setup when I've have time, so there may be some errors - let me know if you see any....thanks!

So I revamped my charts and I put together a look at the entire truck market for all of the competitors in each segment (I didn't do ICE vans, though) - enjoy...... Also, Tesla and Rivian haven't reported any figures yet, but I'm not going to wait on them, as they're weird in their reporting anyway. Please note, it's been a lot of work to create this new setup when I've have time, so there may be some errors - let me know if you see any....thanks!

I have a truck sales comparison coming, but I'm waiting on some more reporting (namely Stellantis.....I won't wait for Tesla/Rivian for it.

I have a truck sales comparison coming, but I'm waiting on some more reporting.

Here are Ford's sales good to great numbers.....here are Ford's Q2 results https://s205.q4cdn.com/882619693/files/doc_news/2025/Jul/01/Ford-U-S-Q2-2025-Sales-Release.pdf And here are June monthly sales:

Tesla also has that solar aspect to it, though who knows if that makes any money. Especially with nothing but endless vaporware on the horizon for years on end....."it's coming just wait!!!!"

Sure, but his point is not all recalls are the same. Similar to on those quality reports - someone not knowing how to program their bluetooth is different than the screen went blank and a wheel fell off.

https://www.motor1.com/news/764274/nissan-delays-supplier-payments/ Reuters reports that Nissan is asking some of its suppliers in Europe and the UK if they'll accept delayed payments to free up some needed cash. This isn't an unusual move for an automaker, and Nissan told Reuters it's offering suppliers the option of taking payments right away, or at a later date with interest. If the supplier decides it wants immediate payment, HSBC will pay the supplier, then Nissan will pay back the bank with interest at a later date. Espinosa's stated goal is to achieve $3.4 billion in cost cuts over the next two years. Over the last fiscal year, Nissan lost $4.5 billion. Its aim to delay supplier payments in the UK and Europe could help it free up $69 million in cash. In total, Nissan has around $15 billion in cash, but nearly $5 billion in debt coming due. The automaker is also reportedly considering selling its $700 million Yokohama headquarters, possibly leasing the space back from the buyer.

It's been a bit since I've been in all 3, but I recall Maverick being almost all hard plastics, while Escape and BS had some soft touch plastics on the dash area.

That's a good point. I'm guessing maybe it has to do with the cab structure/doors themselves at this point.....since they reused the cab and doors, they couldn't include them for whatever reason? It's also funny - Navigator (and expedition) had air suspension back in 2004, yet here we are in 2025 and it doesn't. It'll be interesting to see if sales do increase more as they're able to make more.....i.e. have sales been artificially low, or is that just the level they're at?

Correct. And while I'd rather have a fixed glass roof than a regular solid roof, I still like the option of opening it. What I'm curious to see is whether it fits within the same opening as the current vista roof, or if they make the opening larger now that they don't have to accommodate the mechanical hardware to open it? Eh, I'd disagree - there are people out there that want the performance with a more "luxury" interior, vs. the sporty and all-black interior of the ST. That said, you're also right that for many buyers, the 2.3 would be sufficient. This seems like a typical "reduce build combos/complexity" move as a model ages....they shifted the powertrain option from one trim to another.