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Yeah but think about it, that discussion was first on Autoline Daily around twelve months ago talked about a BEV Mustang coupe with a December 2028 launch. Allowing a four year engineering development, that vehicle development wouldn’t begin until sometime in 2024, that’s still in the idea development stage…

Ironically, Ford Australia had developed the two door Falcon Coupe at the same time, both were line ball on a lot of measurements but different in others, the Falcon had more usable rear seat and the rear guards wer bulged to take fat tires that Ford Australia never fitted.

Keep in mind that it was never intended to be a permanent or high volume solution, Lightning’s popularity is forcing more volume. Yes, a BEV truck with a slightly altered ICE chassis can be built that way but that’s a long way different to setting up a dedicated BEV platform for a mid sized utility that shares nothing with a Mustang. While Ford could now prove that wrong, I suspect that there’s an easier option for GE2 Explorer/Aviator production that will put it closer to battery suppliers….

Can’t argue with that. I can tell you that in ROW markets, the word discount hasn’t existed in Ford vocabulary for quite a while.

Those cash incentives do not come out of the dealer’s pockets though, that all comes from Ford and is built into the price. For vehicles that are extremely hard to shift, Ford gives the dealer a one time amount to move the vehicle. While I agree that dealers should be permitted to profit with ADMs, it’s the amount that concerns me, you would hope that most aren’t charging $10k-$20k over MSRP and those that are buying vehicles with big ADMs should know that their financing could be extremely underwater at hand in time…. I looks like demand may be easing as the economy starts nosing over, so maybe ADMs are gone in a month or so or as we expect only on really desirable vehicles for those that must have right now.

Correct, a lot of the guys that worked on CD6 Taurus came across from Ford Australia, this is clearly an evolution/ amalgamation of Mondeo with Taurus to make one good vehicle. I’m betting that the hip and shoulder room is line ball with Falcon (tweeter size) but again Ford does this crazy “China Only” thing……. It’s such a shame that the Mach E electric frame couldn’t be used under this beautiful car…

Correct, it would be a mistake to stick to hybrids and not progress with BEVs. The world is moving to BEVs, it’s just the pace and depth of sales that still remains to be seen. CATL is well advanced with new version of sodium battery that is 1/3 cheaper than lithium batteries, higher power density and recharges to 80% in 15 mins

Anyone translate Chinese? edit, OK google translate helped me understand the above specs, Top row is previous Mondeo Middle row is new Mondeo Bottom row previous Taurus Man, this new Mondeo is just the ticket to replace Fusion and Taurus, it’s brilliant.

This I agree with, it’s the least disruptive and “kicks the can down the road” for a few years Im wondering if Ford has changed its mind recently (nixing a second vehicle at Flat Rock), the accelerated BEV plans make me think you’re on the money with your assessment…..we all want to see more products but knowing Ford, they will stick with only what’s needed.

Sorry, I didn’t respond to your post as I wanted to step back and let other posters have a chance to discuss. Most have expressed the same ideas I have and In many instances articulated those point better than me, so thanks to all above What I will add is this, 1. If BEVs don’t go to CAP, that will ultimately impact that plant’s output and the number of shifts/people there. 2. If the BEVs are going to turn into medium/high volume product, they will need a dedicated plant 3. Oakville changeover to BEV times well for BEV Explorer/Aviator…. 4. and if 3 happens, could MEB based Ford BEVs move to another location like, say Louisville? Please note, the above is purely for discussion purposes and not as anything Ford is actually planning to do.

The important point is that they didn’t, keeping Flat Rock was an easy, low cost way out of a sticky situation for Ford, the big change in the past six months is Ford doubling down on Electric Vehicles so it’s likely that is now a priority over other planned engineering projects.

Yeah, just havin’ fun, I think the truth is that we’re lucky to have another Mustang coupe. Anyone who thinks that Ford will spend beyond the minimum to keep FRAP open is dreaming.

Of course I could be spreading nonsense……..it’s probably too late in the game to add another product to FRAP.

A car based pickup would…..Imagine Mustang like this Falcon Pickup, same but different

A better option might be a two door pickup, Ford could do that more easily and it would work in the existing Flat Rock facility