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Let me clarify. Look at Focus sedan vs hatchback vs escape. Sedan is by far the cheapest and most of the smaller sedans that you see are the cheaper versions. Same for Fusion/Edge - big price difference. And even though I had a Titanium fusion that was great they were few and far between with most that I see being much cheaper SEs. In the sub $35k range price is king for a large number of buyers. Different story with $50k+ luxury/sport sedans but at that price point volume drops significantly and a lot of buyers want more utility. It’s a difficult business case vs utilities and trucks.

I was looking at the 23 order guide. Did not realize the 22s were different.

Standard on KR, Platinum and Ltd included with Lariat Ultimate pkg.

Not all buyers but a good portion of mainstream sedan buyers especially smaller sedans like Fiesta, Focus, Corolla, etc. Different story with luxury sedans but that’s a much smaller market.

Same for Model X I think but no mention of the others.

That is ridiculous and an abuse of the agile process. It’s not possible to make 27 meaningful changes to a vehicle every day - that’s over 8000 a year. Even with automated testing every change is a potential error. Sounds like they just gave the engineers carte blanche to change whatever they want whenever they want with no oversight. It is a big advantage to be able to make changes rapidly and have better quality control. But it also comes with a higher up front capital investment which can be problematic for established automakers. The solution is somewhere in between with software updates once or twice a month and hardware changes a few times a year with a mix of in house and outsourced parts,

Maybe they can build enough Nautilus stockpile to weather the downtime until Star makes it to production.

Exactly - there are lies on both sides. Some politically motivated, some clickbait. Which is why you shouldn’t believe any headline but instead look at the underlying data and how they reached those conclusions. I really miss the days when reporting was just based on facts and not slanted or sensationalized. Where is Walter Cronkite when you need him?

The hot cars article title is just plain wrong. Even the data in the referenced study showed that the worst case scenario was driving in electric mode 26% of the time on average. So even the worst offenders are still plugging in and using electric mode 25% and as high as 56% on average. That is completely different than “nobody is plugging them in”. The other problem with the report is it’s based on what the EPA assumes about PHEVs - that they’ll be driven in electric mode 80% of the time. If I have a 20 mile range and plug in every night then I could have 2 scenarios 1 - I drive 20 miles per day 100% electric 2 - I drive 80 miles per day - that’s only 25% electric. In both scenarios I charge nightly but in scenario 2 the study would conclude that it wasn’t plugging in. Daily mileage makes a huge difference in the formula used by the study and the EPA. You really need to try reading between the lines and look at the raw data to see if the data matches the conclusion. In this case it clearly does not support the conclusion that nobody is plugging them in.

You mean the same super efficient scalable and agile techniques they were using in 2020 when net profit was only $1495?

Duh. Tesla raised prices up to $8k per vehicle. What else would you expect to happen?

We’d have less arguments if people chose better words to describe their personal preferences such as “I like” or “I don’t like” instead of making semi objective statements that may not be true.

Nobody said you had to buy one or like them just don’t call them soccer mom mobiles.

Edge ST, Explorer ST and Bronco Sport respectfully disagree.