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Most of the big % changes can be explained. Bronco has the 25’s coming out and the 24’s have some good discounts on them. The Mach e had some pretty big rebates. Maverick has supply issues. Ranger had supply issues last year. The only two I can’t really figure out are the explorer and transit. Explorer just had a refresh with a much improved interior. Whats its issue? Transit with a 45% drop, what’s the deal there?

Are they talking about something crazy like the local motors rally fighter? Or something more sedated like the 911 Dakar?

Nobody wants the “base” trim. Maybe on bronco so they can mod it themselves, but no one buys the base trim on other models. People still want options and tech in their vehicles. Ford needs to find a way to make things cheaper without sacrificing quality.

I’d like to see more of this as well. I’d also like to see trims like the rattler on the f150 go other models, though maybe pick a different name. This would give people a more affordable off-road model to choose from. low end - rattler mid - tremor high end - raptor

Can’t wait for the suv EV version. BOSS-E sounds like a good name 😆

I like rtr. I think this will be good for the ecoboost. Lower trims usually don’t look as good as the higher trims and this fixes that.

Another issue that may or may not be a problem is you no longer need a sports car to go fast. EVs can accelerate faster while still providing all the space, functionality, and creature comforts of a SUV, truck, or sedan. And today’s ICE trucks and SUVs are not too far off from sports cars from a few years ago. F150, escape and explorer can all go 0 to 60 in mid to upper 5 second range.

If ford wants to compete with Porsche, it needs a new model. The mustang is a pony car and should stay that.

The ecoboost is irrelevant since I was comparing prices of the GT. But an ecoboost mustang started at 27k in 2021 and is now 32k. The rav4 was used to show that not all vehicles had a massive price increase. But you can do the same with the corvette. It had an msrp of 61k in 2021 and a msrp 70k now. The mustang GT price increased 38% while the corvette increased 15%.

The mustang being impractical has been a constant since it was first made, that’s not the reason. Adjusted for inflation, the mustangs price is roughly the same as 20 years ago. This does not mean that price can’t still be a deterring factor. Not everyone’s wages have increased at the same rate as inflation, so it could be more expensive to those consumers. It also doesn’t help that the price has increased so rapidly. In 2021 the mustang GT had an msrp of 36k. It’s now almost 50k. That’s a huge jump in a relatively short timeframe. For comparison, the rav4 had a starting price of 26k in 2021 and is now 28k.

According to this article, Ford doesn’t think pricing is an issue. https://www.motor1.com/news/747170/ford-mustang-priced-right-despite-low-sales/ I would beg to differ. Any article about low mustang sales is filled with comments about its price. Sharing a platform with another vehicle could help lower the price. A Lincoln or thunderbird could be options. An alternative could be something like the Toyota Supra/bmw z4 deal. Wouldn’t a Camaro/mustang deal be crazy?

I’m surprised mustang is still around. Low sales, dedicated platform, and its own factory? Any other vehicle and it would be gone a long time ago. Most dealers around me don’t even stock mustangs anymore, and if they do, it’s only one or two.

I wonder why gas stations haven’t voluntarily added chargers? You’d think they would love having customers essentially trapped there for 30 minutes.

If EVs are unaffordable without the tax credit, then they were always a losing option. Hopefully now losing that $7500 will force automakers to innovate and make them cheaper. Not sure how I feel about cutting the infrastructure money. The problem with EVs and their infrastructure is that they are always advancing. Do we want to spend billions just to have the infrastructure be outdated in a couple of years and then redo it all again? Think moores law.

Hmmm, not sure what their design inspiration was for this. The front looks chinese, the side looks like a 2000’s era GMC suv with its square wheel arches, and the interior looks like a 1970’s truck. I think the overall shape is good, but I’ve said this a 1000 times, Hyundai/kia always seem to put one or two styling elements in their vehicles that keep them from having broad appeal.