fuzzymoomoo

8 years, but the bigger problem is that new hires are more and more being brought in as temps with no hope of ever being permanent despite promises from both management and the union. Edit: I found this on Facebook. Explains it much better than I did. Same thing is happening all across the big 3

^ What he said. They changed the name of it for some reason. I guess Homelink sounded too HAL 3000 for some people.

Like I said last night, I was able to add both of my kids to my plan as soon as I got their social security cards in the mail. It just took like 2 weeks to process because any time you have to call NESC it takes forever to go through.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't want a pension. I would rather be in control of my retirement fund. Stupid question, do temps get to vote on the contract?

I'm not a fan of lump sum "raises". It's a total cop out. Either give a raise or call the lump sum a bonus. You can't have it both ways. I agree 4-5 years would be idea for the progression but if we have to do 6 this time and shoot for the end goal being 4-5 with the next contract I think I could live with that.

It's about way more than just healthcare. Close the gap between the legacy and in-progression workers. My opinion is take 2 years off the progression. A clear path for temps to be brought on full time with seniority. A hard limit on how long someone can be employed as a temp before the company has to make them full time. Those are the biggest issues outside of plant investments. None of that was addressed in the deal GM had on the table.

I do think GM management blew their wad prematurely by releasing their offer on the able to the public just hours after the strike announcement. Both GM and UAW know that a day or 2 wont hurt the bottom line all that much, that missing production can be made up very quickly. If this were to drag out until Wednesday or Thursday without an agreement, then you have more leverage by releasing that information. Make no mistake, UAW leadership doesn't really care about public opinion and GM should know with the culture being so anti-corporate these days there's no way they come out of this looking good in any way.

I have my doubts on whether or not UAW management knows what they're doing either. Already in the last 36 hours several very questionable decisions made.

Just curious, what would be an acceptable percentage to you? I agree 1/2% is pointless. No mention of shortening the progression either. I would like to see at least 2 years knocked off myself.

I was able to get both my kids onto my health plan as soon as their social security cards were issued

I'm pretty sure our health care is the same as yours. That was changed in 2015.

Is that even possible? They’re a lot like vegans

The proposed deal from GM was released. It's ok but not good enough IMO. https://www.wxyz.com/news/gm-says-it-made-strong-offer-to-its-us-workers

I never saw the one I'm thinking about driving around without some kind of sensors/instrumentation attached to it.