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Dodge and Chrysler brands are tainted and have no future, and Charger and Challenger are just nostalgia vehicles like Panthers were in 1990's (Panthers in 2000's were just for fleets and cranks whose automotive tastes were stuck in 1971). Stellantis should develop EV versions of Ram, Wagoneer, Wrangler, and Grand Cherokee, but an EV replacement for Charger and Challenger will flop.

The data I've seen shows 40% want EV's and 60% don't. Unfortunately, you have turned into an EV zealot over recent weeks and months. You EV zealots, especially rperez and you in recent weeks, are destroying this forum, which was one of the last good ones around. You're living in a dream world if you think the ICE percentage will drop to 10% in the next 15 years.

The demographic buying Dodge muscle cars grew up watching The Dukes of Hazzard and want nothing to do with EV's. The demographic enthusiastic about EV's (upper and upper middle class with advanced degrees on the coasts) want nothing to do with Dodge.

I think a modern day Ranchero would be a Mustang based pickup. I think the Maverick will succeed as it resembles a mini F series, not a modern day Ranchero. However, I think $30,000 is the maximum 95% of people will pay for a Maverick or Bronco Sport. They would be more profitable than a new Focus or Fusion, but I imagine the F series will continue to be the source of the bulk of Ford profits.

The crossover market will be commoditized just like the small and mid-size sedan market - hopefully Bronco and Bronco Sport give Ford an edge. I expect Corolla and Camry sedans to be around for at least 20 more years, as they have monopolized the market for practical sedans.

I remember Ford top executives chastising the managers of the 1989 Thunderbird program over costs.

10 years from now I expect ICE versions of Escape, Bronco Sport, Maverick, Bronco, Explorer, and probably Ranger, Transit, and Expedition to be discontinued. But I expect a minimum of 20% and up to 50% of F150's to still be ICE based upon the conservative nature of F150 buyers.

Especially in rural areas where the domestic automakers are still popular.

I think Ford's attitude, not unreasonable, is people who can't afford the Maverick or Escape should either buy used or look at a Kia Soul or Rio or Hyundai Accent. I don't see any replacement for EcoSport and no Puma for North America.

Several people say Ford won't develop any more ICE vehicles, so a C2 or CD6 replacement for Edge is out of the question. Since Ford has no other vehicles on CD4, moving the current Edge to another factory doesn't seem to be an option. Seems like the long term future for the Chicago and Louisville plants may be in question, since Explorer EV is going to Mexico and Escape EV is going to Ontario. I'd just get an Explorer myself since it is only about 10 inches longer than Edge.

That's fine. While many of you are excited about all the BEV's and S650 Mustang coming the next few years, there are still moderate income people needing vehicles around $20,000

I liked the Falcon, Fairmont, and Granada cars better than the 1970 to 1977 Maverick. The Falcon, Fairmont, and Granada names are not appropriate for a pickup truck.

Some of the people on the allpar.com forums have noted that Marchionne dropped the 200, Dart, Journey, and Grand Caravan and replaced them with nothing, but Ford dropped the Focus and Fusion and replaced them with Ranger, Bronco, Bronco Sport, and Maverick.

I remember the 1970 to 1977 Maverick very well and I am happy when Ford reuses traditional names, although I liked the Falcon, Granada, and Fairmont better than the Maverick. A basic Maverick XL would be ideal for my next vehicle.

I don't assume the Explorer, Aviator, Mustang, or pickup truck EV's depend on VW, just maybe the smaller models.