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Are you kidding me a great contract! This contract sucks . We gave up everything for $6,000. You should be ashamed of yourself for screwing the rest of us. 4 years of no pay raise and more work added nice contract! Grow some balls and quite being scared! Im tired of people saying your lucky to have a job. I have a job because I bust my ass everyday and go to work. You assholes agree to nothing in the contract. Thanks for 4 years of nothing.
Unless you are in skilled trades you should fucking be damn glad you make the wages that you do. Millions of other workers can do these production jobs and would do them for less. Go work somewhere else if you think you are worth more.
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Last Updated: October 25. 2011 1:00AM.
Daniel Howes
Big 3-UAW contracts transform industry
2011 deals laying foundation for automakers' success, analysts say
Whatever you may think about Detroit's automakers and their de facto partner, the United Auto Workers, both sides are delivering three things this town hasn't seen in a very long time: real profits, flattened fixed costs and more jobs-producing investment.
Less than three years after General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group LLC collapsed into a federally induced bankruptcy, imperiling the UAW in the process, the Detroit-based industry is emerging from this fall's national contract talks generating jobs, cash, an optimism founded on the hard nuts and bolts of success.
And cooperation. Ratification of the union's agreement with Chrysler appeared almost certain Monday, as nearly 58 percent of 1,881 members at Jefferson North Assembly voted in favor of the third contract to bolster the competitive posture of Detroit's automakers for the next four years.
Break-even points? At roughly 10 million cars and trucks sold per year, they are far lower than the 13 million-plus market is now. Credit ratings? They're nearing the threshold to investment grade again, the precondition for restoring dividends and attracting new investors. Labor costs? Comparatively flat, with larger proportions of total compensation for hourly workers tilted toward richer profit-sharing and other performance bonuses.
This is not the Detroit auto industry of 2007, much less a decade or more ago. These are the signs of forward progress, of stronger and more profitable companies, of a New Detroit grounded in cooperation, competitive awareness and economic reality, not the denial, dysfunction and arrogance of the failed past.
"You can go back 30 years" or more "and this industry has never been this strong, purely strong," says Eric Selle, managing director of fixed-income analysis for J.P.Morgan & Co. in New York. "They're making money on all their products, or they're not making them. The mentality has definitely changed. This is a new industry."
It had to be. The shame of bankruptcy and public opprobrium, paired with the unforgiving financial reality of the global market meltdown, forced wrenching restructuring and midwifed new attitudes evident not only in the agreements, but in how the parties reached them and what that says about the future.
Most of what it says is good.
For the first time in a long time, these contract talks are ending with a sense that the automakers and their union crafted deals that are defensible; that both sides can withstand the pressure of recession, partly because they're profiting at near-recession levels today; that $13.3 billion in capital will be reinvested in American sites to create or replace 20,500 American jobs, unlikely four years ago; that the Detroit industry has a promising future after such a bleak past.
"Nothing has been done in the contracts that would derail the progress that's been made," says Art Schwartz, a longtime GM bargainer who is now president of Labor and Economics Associates, an Ann Arbor-based consulting firm. "The UAW is doing things that they never would have done before. They're in a life-saving mode of their own."
Yes, they are because they have to be. Since 2007, estimates the Ann Arbor-based Center for Automotive Research, the Detroit automakers have cut 130,000 dues-paying UAW members from their payrolls. That leaves just 108,000 at all three companies to vote on this fall's contracts.
And more. The UAW of President Bob King shed the confrontational rhetoric of the past and reached beyond the culture of entitlement (even if some of its members didn't) to craft agreements that are as responsible as they are financially defensible. Labor costs for GM and Ford Motor Co. are expected to increase by 1 percent over the life of the four-year deals. Base wage rates will hold steady, enabling the automakers to hold the line on pension liabilities, a trigger point for Wall Street.
Fat signing and profit-sharing bonuses for hourly workers — as high as $16,700 per member at Ford — could outstrip the financial gains that otherwise would have accrued to the members through increased base wage rates. If so, that's a good problem for many autoworkers to have, and it's dollars and cents evidence they are doing their part.
Total labor costs are trending in the right direction, even as foreign and domestic producers are expected to see labor cost inflation running at roughly 1.5 percent annually. Going into this fall's bargaining, Ford's all-in wages and benefit costs for hourly workers totaled $58 per hour. GM tallied $56 per hour, and Chrysler booked $51 per hour — roughly equivalent to Honda Motor Co. and $4 per hour cheaper than Toyota Motor Corp.'s Georgetown, Ky., facility, the Japanese automaker's most costly operation in North America.
"Labor is no longer a strategic risk component for the Detroit Three," says Sean McAlinden, executive vice president of research and chief economist for the Center for Automotive Research. "That is a major, major, major issue."
Management needs to deliver, too. The sum total of cuts in labor costs — off-loading retiree health care costs to a union-controlled trust fund, holding the line on inter-related increases to base wages and pensions, introducing second-tier, lower wages for new hires — makes whatever management pays its line workers a much smaller part of the overall cost to produce a car or truck.
Put another way: These agreements, following on bankruptcy restructuring and the concessions of 2005 and '07, mean labor can no longer be the stock excuse for a Detroit failure in the marketplace. Their cars, trucks and management savvy can be, instead.
Detroit's automakers no longer have jobs banks that pay people not to work, but Toyota and Honda, to name two, effectively do. Fixed labor costs are no longer a figurative millstone crushing the companies in tough times amid comparatively lower sales volumes.
Also, debt-laden balance sheets, meager cash generation, contentious labor relations and disfavor among investors are being replaced by lighter debt loads, enviable cash flows and the prospect of investment-grade credit ratings, starting with Ford.
"Frankly, we can realistically discuss (profit) margins of over 5 percent," adds McAlinden. "For 10 years, GM couldn't get realistically above 11/2 percent. Clearly, we are far, far more competitive."
Where do we go from here? Forward, away from the myriad excuses, self-inflicted wounds and industrial-welfare economy that proved Detroit was following business rules no one respected nor emulated because all they did was model failure.
"Significant pressure points have been eliminated," says Warren Browne, a retired GM executive and now a vice president with Automotive Compass LLC. "It's sized correctly for performance. These guys can really perform now."
dchowes@detnews.com
(313) 222-2106
Daniel Howes’ column runs Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111025/OPINION03/110250369/Big-3-UAW-contracts-transform-industry#ixzz1bmjBhB3y
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Ford debt upgraded by S&P12:02 PM, Oct. 21, 2011 |
BY BRENT SNAVELY
DETROIT FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER
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Standard & Poor’s said today that it has upgraded Ford’s credit rating two notches to BB+ because of its improving financial condition and the ratification of the company’s new labor contract with the UAW.
“We believe the contract will allow for continued profitability and cash generation in North America,” Standard & Poor’s said in a report today.
The upgrade leaves the automaker just shy of investment grade status.
Ford’s objective when it began negotiations with the UAW in July was to keep its fixed costs down so that it could convince rating agencies to boost the company's credit rating.
“We believe the UAW contracts coming out of this cycle for both General Motors and Ford have generally lived up to the goal,” Eric Selle, a credit analyst for JP Morgan said in a report today.
A higher credit rating helps a company reduce interest rates on its debt. Ford’s debt hasn’t been rated as investment grade since 2005.
Ford’s stock increased as much as 62 cents, or 5%, to $12.32 in morning trading today while General Motors stock rose $1.03, or 4.5%, to $23.99.
Also, stock markets in general were up today because of reports that European leaders are closer to reaching a deal to contain a debt crisis and as several major U.S. corporations reported profit increases.
For Ford, the credit rating increase was the second in two days.
On Thursday, Fitch Ratings upgraded Ford to BB+, or one notch shy of investment grade.
“Fitch has reviewed the terms of the new agreement and believes that it provides the company with improved flexibility to allow continued positive financial and operational progress over the next several years,” Fitch wrote.
UAW workers ratified a new four-year labor agreement with Ford on Wednesday.
On Thursday, Ford told Wall Street analysts its labor costs will initially increase by 1%, but said those costs will fall over the life of the four-year deal with the UAW.
Contact Brent Snavely: 313-222-6512 or bsnavely@freepress.com.
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You dont stay the best by giving shit up every contract.
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The better the financial picture becomes for the company I $love to work for the better I feel.
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Last Updated: October 20. 2011 11:07AM.
Ford CFO: Deal should get stock rated at investment grade
Alisa Priddle/ The Detroit News
Ford Motor Co.'s new labor agreement with the United Auto Workers will increase costs less than 1 percent annually over the course of the contract, Mark Fields, president of the Americas, told investors in a call Thursday morning.
Holding the line on wages, increasing flexibility on the line, especially with skilled workers, eliminating legal services over the course of the agreement and overall increases in efficiency should offset the bonuses, profit sharing, increased wages for entry-level workers and adding up to 12,000 jobs over four years, he said.
Ratification of the deal also bodes well for shareholders.
Chief Financial Officer Lewis Booth said he thinks the labor contract will be favorably received by ratings agencies. Ford is hoping to return to investment grade status again soon, but achieving it "is not an absolute necessity to pay dividends," Booth said Thursday.
"Our shareholders have been very patient. It would be nice to get investment grade ahead of time, but that's not in our control," Booth said.
Breaking down the costs, Fields said signing bonuses of $6,000 for workers with a year of seniority and $5,000 for the rest, will cost the company $280 million.
For the remainder of the contract period, the $1,500 annual "inflation protection" and $250 operational bonus lump sums and will cost the company about $80 million annually.
But eliminating legal services will save $10 million this year and about $20 million next year, Fields said.
The new contract has no pension benefit improvements to the Ford pension plan or lump sums to current or future retirees, and defined benefit plans are closed to all new employees. These new employees will be covered by a defined contribution plan.
The jobs bank, which paid employees while off the job, is not reinstated, nor is cost of living allowances. The contract increases wages only for entry-level workers
Ford paid workers $5,000 last year in profit sharing. Under the new formula, which uses similar metrics to how salaried workers payouts are calculated, hourly workers last year would have received about $5,400, said Fields, a total increase of less than $20 million.
The revised formula provides the equivalent of $1 per employee per $1 million in pre-tax profits in North America. The payouts only occur if the company's profits exceed $1.25 billion and they are capped at $12,000 per employee annually.
Employees will get an advance profit sharing check this year, based on first-half 2011 financial results, of $3,750, on average.
Costs will not have a material impact on the company's bottom line, and Ford remains on track to deliver its mid-decade outlook because of the savings and efficiencies the contract affords, officials say.
"The work practice changes and increased uses of entry-level employees provide the opportunity for substantial cost savings and profit improvement as demand increases," Fields said.
About 23 percent of Ford's workforce is eligible for retirement, and the company has about 9,000 skilled workers who make the highest wages. But buyouts will also be offered to those not eligible, Fields said. Packages will likely be offered from January to March, and those who opt to go will leave by midyear.
The majority of the 12,000 jobs promised over four years are incremental, and 3,400 are from in-sourcing work that would have been done in other countries, Fields said, a practice that will continue where it makes competitive sense.
They will leave room to hire more entry-level workers.
John Fleming, executive vice president of global manufacturing and labor affairs, said he expects these workers will account for up to 8 percent of the workforce by the end of the contract. Ford only has a few hundred currently.
The automaker has about 1,300 long-term supplemental workers who will become full-time entry-level workers on Monday when the contract is signed and takes effect.
Fields said he does not see Ford reaching the 20 percent cap on these lower-paid workers that will take effect in 2015. And he noted that parts plants in Rawsonville and Sterling have separate agreements that allow them to use all lower-tier workers.
Under the new agreement, the company can implement alternative work schedules and add shifts to better increase production quickly if demand is strong for a particular product.
Ford can also form fewer and more efficient integrated teams with both production and skilled workers. The idea is to eliminate waste in the system, such as when one group must wait for another to perform certain tasks, Fleming said.
apriddle@detnews.com
(313)222-2504
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111020/AUTO01/110200432/Ford-CFO--Deal-should-get-stock-rated-at-investment-grade#ixzz1bKvcRmyD
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Few people have missed a point more widely than you. You should be proud.
I am a proud Ford UAW worker. My point is echoed through the media, my union leaders , comments on auto news articles by the buying public and the majority of the Ford UAW membership that voted yes. What was the point of the NO voters. We have the best wages already. We have free health care( well $20.00 co pay). We have a great dental plan. On and on and on we have it better only because of Ford and the UAW. Not because of the superior skills that the workers possess. A lot of NO voters did not take the so called "bribe" that the Yes voters took because it was not big enough for them. If you like the company you work for you most likely would think a little harder about fucking up relations with the hand that feeds you. I have tried to be civil with my rebuttals but you NO voters are fools and could of fucked up things big time. For what. Oh yea from what the NO voters told me a little more cash and a big " FUCK OFF FORD AND USELESS IUAW! " I guess I missed that point and thankfully the overwelming membership did too. Good thing there are more "normals" then "retards" in the world. It will be ok angry,thankless,selfish,disrespectful, foolish and unrealistic wishful thinkers. Big brother saved you from making a big ass mistake. Try to see the best in life and you will find more peace. When the truth finally if ever sinks in it may hurt a little(foolish pride) but you will be glad that you did not get your way and maybe of fucked things up for no good reason. Well at least from my point of view not good enough of one. Good luck with all of your "seems to never end" struggles.
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When has the union ever been for the WORKER, answer never. Do you think they care what you all think? The unions are only in it for the money, Their Money, they can care less what you think or if you have a job.
So how much do you think auto worker laborers would be getting if there never was a union?
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Nov 4th for "sellout" payout....but will we get the early advancement on Profit Sharing that day and will we get to elect it be sent to TESPHE?
Sellout? Most of the NO voters that I talked to said that they would of voted yes if the signing bonus was bigger. They just wanted more in their pockets and could care less about all the jobs being offered or anything else good about the contract. Sounds like pure greed to me and many many others.
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LOL, if we truly needed the money, unlike some, we would not stand on our principles and sell out our brothers and sisters those with plants closing, our retirees, and our 2nd tier employees. What do you not get?? We were o.k. with helping out our other fellow employees with just the equity of sacrifice that was given up until the company said we made a profit. They are now making a profit. A democracy to have us properly represented, now that would be wonderful, however, we do not elect people like King, Settles, and other appointees with a vote by the people or the membership unfortunately. Funny how social security just today said that they will be getting COLA of 3.6% because of inflation, no wonder the company did not want to give this back. 3.6% of your paycheck adds up. Giving back money, what money would we be giving back since we had concessions and they nearly took $30,000/year as stated by Bob King. O.k. I guess half back isn't bad NOT!
The No voters lost by what like by 10,000 votes or more. The majority have spoken. Now go find some other thing to not get your way with. Maybe take some of the signing money and get a tattoo. Maybe some saying that expresses the way that you are used to feeling like "BORN TO LOSE". The company is a business not your mommy. Getting all mad will not get you what tou want. A lot of the NO voters are all angry because they did not get their way. If the Yes voters would of lost they would not so much be angry but worried and hopeful that the company would give enough to make all the brats happy and not somehow have to strike. If your brain can not figure out why the company wants to keep their labor cost competitive with the other auto companies than I guess nothing any Yes voter says will make sense to you. It must suck to not be able to quit working for a company that you dislike so much. This is not just my opinion but millions of others in a nation that is stuggling right now. No one likes a sore loser, loser.
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Wipe your chin off, Dude.
:o What did the big baby not get his way again. :P Grow up and if you have kids or ever plan on it try to do a better job than yours did. Cry baby Cry baby
You will feel better when you get the signing money that you didn't help get. Then it will be all better. 
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ford announces next tuesday,,what this election has been is hurry up and get it done before then,just like when they tried to shove the last modification on us
I do not care what the company makes. It could be a trillion for all I care. I feel that the contract that they offered me for my knowledge,skills and risks are more than adequate. I know that I am getting better than the going rate for a prodution laborer and I am very content with the deal. No wonder the general buying public hates the UAW workers. It is not only because they think that we are overpayed for our skill level but because they think that we think that we deserve more. The majority has spoken( is) and just like in the movies the good ones almost always beat the bad ones. I guess maybe it is just the way some people are raised. I feel sorry for people that do not have the capacity to see the truth or that lack the ability to admit to it because of their foolish pride. Luckily more people are wise then not. Please stop crying no one likes a poor sport. The NO voters lost(well it is looking that way right now) but won at the same time thanks to the ones that know better. Now go and fail to get your way with something else. You should be used to it so do not get so angry when you don't get your selfish way. It may be a rare thing for you but "have a nice day".
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The force that is driving the NO voters is a thing called hate. It Is not the companies fault that the NO voters are not happy about working for them. It is only the NO voters fault that they have to work at Ford. If you do not have the skills to go work somewhere else for a company that can pay you more and treat you better than who's to blame? You NO voters should count your lucky stars.
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right after you learn to spell.
You do not have have a english major to make wise choices. For the most part I think that I spell pretty good for a non college educated blue collar ( well payed) factory rat. I love working for Ford and I love having the UAW for protection. My lifes finances are awesome because of there existence. I am not voting YES out of fear. Sorry for those who have to stay at a job that they HATE because they know that they do not have the skills to find a better one Like Alan said at the hearings, "I am good were I am at" . (for at least now). Right now with the vote totals it looks like that common "sense" is dictating.
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There are about fifty of these doom and gloom end of the world topics why start another one? Do you believe another fear topic will change any ones mind get real
It is not about "doom and gloom" it is about common sence (wisdom) which it seems that you lack. I can not " change" anyones mind they have to do that for themselves. Do a internet search on "wisdom " and give it a ponder.
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Wether this contract passes or fails, it will send a STRONG message back to company and union....don't comeback lookin for anymore concessions!
The worklers can never have the upper hand because most can not afford a strike and the company knows it. We really are at the MASTERS mercy and should try to not piss him off. Why bite the hand that is feeding you if the food (money) is still pretty tastie. Just sayin.
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If you are at one of the plants that have yet to vote and are thinking about voting NO just for a moment think about what will happen to your finances if we have to stop getting paid by going on strike. Can you afford a strike? All of the NO voters that I talked to said that they do not " think" that the company will allow production to stop because of the money they will lose. Nothing will be gained with a contract rejection at this time. All Alan Mulally has to say is that if the NO voters don't change there position real fast they will will suffer the consequences. If we actually strike when we get a chance to vote again the signing money will be less to make up for some of what the company lost. The company knows that since it was a close vote that enough of the NO voters that did not believe it would actually come to a strike will have to give in to protect their families finances. Alan was hired and is being paid the big bucks because he has proven in the past with Boeing that he knows how to have the upper hand with labor issues. You NO voters have to admit that there is risk involved with a rejection. It is a gamble( with the Yes voters money too) and you will lose because Alan is a master at the game. Do not screw yourself over ( and us Yes people) because of your stubborn pride. Vote YES ,you will (should at least) still be able to get by with this contract if it passes. In the end your ( and others that your actions affected) existence on this planet would of been a happier one if you had made WISE choices. Voting YES is a WISE choice and is a step in the RIGHT direction.
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Yes people, remember if you do not vote it's a yes vote automatically. This is another issue many people have with our UAW setup. If you don't vote it shouldn't be a yes or a no vote.
NOT VOTING = YES SO GO VOTE!
You are wrong. Stop with all the lies. This is not the time to draw any kind of line. Do not bite the hand that is feeding us. It is not a WISE thing to do right now when the rest of the country is downsizing. No one likes a taker and that is what the strike would be over, trying to take when we already have it better than most. In four years we will receive are due reward if the economy and the company grows richer. Vote Yes.
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People need to wake up. Wall Street says this is a good deal,that ought to tell our membership that this deal sucks for us and is only good for Ford. You are so right Wall Street is about to go bust. The people of this country has done woke up and seen the truth,they are fighting back,thats why Occupy Wall Street has become a success and it will change things. The media tried blocking news coverage on it,yahoo blocked emails on it,media tried to denounce it and say it was just a hanful of young,punk kids. Well it has grown to thousands around Wall Street itself and now people in 15 other cities and states have joined in,the whole world is listening and watching and supporting the cause,cause Wall Street effects the whole world.
Our union leaders in no way should be strong arming us and using scare tactics for us to vote a certain way. They are suppose listen to their people not fight against them. They should be elected out of office and Im tired of not being able to vote on our IUAW reps and our President,that is such bullshit. A union is suppose to be a democracy and our Iuaw runs it like communist. Its not who is next in line for the throne,it should be who we vote in. We Americans vote for our President,Congressman,Senators,Mayors,etc... Why does our IUAW think they are so special and keep us out of the process? They decide on their own who gets brought up to an IUAW position. They vote their own raise in (just voted themselves a raise,while denying us one),hire who they want to be their secretaries (like their wives),they all get 2 pensions and make no less than 150,000 a year.
They are not for us,we are getting screwed and they have done nothing but use scare tactics on their membership. That is wrong..... We do have the right to denounce our union and vote in another union and all monies,assets transfer over. It is not their money it is ours,the memberships. Hoffa and Teamsters got their membership raises back in 2008 and 2009 when the economy was way worse and the auto companies was taking a bailout. Wake up people and fight.... If this is voted in,we will see our union crash. We will no longer be union. Uaw is almost broke and about to go belly up now. By next contract, their will be no UAW for us to try and get anything back if we dont stand and fight now...
Have any of you noticed that after a new contract passes or like back when they opened up the contract to ask for concessions and your local and IUAW would more less tell you to vote yes and then they would tell you,if you dont your plant will close,then after it passes,usually your bargaining chairman all the sudden got a spot up in International?
26 million to Mulally just in wages this year,56 million in stocks,24 million to Ford Jr,50+ million in stocks,not including Mark Fields that threatened to leave and go to Toyota,all of salary got raises,bonuses,their 401k matched, IUAW voted themselves a raise but we get nothing,King said no more concessions,our retirees get no xmas bonuses,no raise in pensions but they tell us they need to be competitive. Mulaly alone made more than all the automaker CEOs. Why dont our union go public and compare Fords salary wages from Mulaly on down to the other automakers,including the transplants??
Where was our Union leaders when we was being bashed during the bailouts? Not one went on any news channel or did any interviews in our defense. The only one that defended us was the Mayor of Detroit...
They are asking us to give 10% to Veba,which will average out about 60 million a year. They got around 16 billion from Ford,11 billion from Gm plus a load of shares for the differance,which they own like 36% of GM because of it,they own like 46% of Chrysler because of it. They wasnt underfunded they got the differance in the shares for them to sell,its a conflict of interest for a union to own that much of a company when they are a union. Now they are playing corporate against their own people and still collecting money from us while more less owning the company. They are just like a CEO now. We are getting screwed people. Wake up,stand up and fight.....
The cost of living is rising by record numbers,no cola,no increase in wages for 4 years is a concession. Our wages say 28 an hr but with inflation it is lowered alot,now think in 2 or 3 years of more inflation at record numbers what it will actually become.
Ford and Gm is bringing back work anyways,Mexico drug cartels and their drug war is way out of control and effecting them,they have kept it out of the media,China is strong arming Ford and Gm over their hybrid technology,share it with them or no longer do business there,why we are getting product back from China from both Ford and Gm. The American dollar isnt worth shit,its cheaper to build here. Ford,Gm are getting millions in tax breaks from our government and millions to retool to bring jobs back. They are going to anyways.
Oh look it up their are 84 cases alone just since 1998 of Uaw corruption that is in the millions..
Im not anti-Uaw,Im anti-of getting screwed by the people we pay to protect us and our families best interest,not the companies or make sure that their pockets are well padded. If the Uaw goes under you can bet that King,Settles and the International are all well taking care of and have positions in one of the automakers.
Vote how you feel but think of you and your families before hand...
Then what good will it do to send the so called corrupt IUAW back to a table if they are not on the side of the Ford UAW workers( well close to half right now). I mean what is the minimal amount of changes in the agreement that would satisfy you and will that be enough to satisfy every other NO voter? If the leaders are so corrupt and you piss them off should'nt you be a little worried that they may get fed up with you too and may decide to teach you a little lesson about " not biting the hand that feeds you?" Right now it seems to be a dumb time to be picking fights. Conceding might be the WISEST thing to do if you can get by with the deal being offered now. Swallow the medicine(and your pride) and close your nose if it helps but Vote YES if you still can people.
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It is a game and you are a pawn if you choose to be.
Thank you O wise one. Pawns are important to in the big game of life. If we go on strike there will be a lot of NO voters visiting the Pawn shops. he he
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Ford and the iuaw do not want and will not allow a strike.
Face it,we are in their eyes, all pawns to them.
Ford and the iuaw have been spewing this working together bullshit for years for their own personal gain.
If voted down it will send a message that we are not to be taken for granted.
I will proudly vote no and whatever the outcome I will have no regrets.
In the eyes of the rest of the world we get way too much money already and we are like little bitches that are never going to be happy unless we get what we want. I will admit that I am overpayed compared to the rest of the workers that do manuel,mostly unskilled labor and I am very happy indeed to have been an overpayed "pawn" all these years. They can take me for granted because they know that I will not leave them for a higher paying job down the street because there are fucking none that even come close to what they give me and thousands would love to have my job if I did decide to leave( if I hit the lottery or something fantastical). If you still have not voted do not let the big mouth risk takers sway you. This deal is not worth going on strike over. The NO voters can not guarantee that the company will give more or likewise less. It is just not worth the risk at this time to say" FUCK YOU MASTER!". Read the agreement for yourself and help the plants that need product VOTE YES please if you still can.
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I'm asking for Jimmy Settles Resignation. This man has no clue to what this membership wants or needs, he's only thinking of his own best interest and not the memberships. If this contract was any good it would pass on it own merits and it wouldn't take $10,000 to get a yes vote. How does it feel all you people that voted yes ???? And for what a paltry $10,000, we gave up more than that in the past 8 years. Wow... only ten grand can buy a vote is that all you people ar worth?? And what about the intimidation & threats that are coming form OUR union for a yes vote, lets thank jimmy settles for turning this into a three ring circus and for the back stabbing thats taking place, is that a way to treat a brother or a sister by back stabbing them???? Please resign now and save face and take your 2 $100,000 a year assistants with you. Oh by the way all you people that negotiated this contract your time is coming to!!!!!!
Almost all of the NO guys told me they would of voted YES for a bigger signing bonus.
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Cry me a river and grow a pair. Vote no.
It seems like it is the NO Voter spoiled babies that need more that are doing the crying.
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This is my opinion. Vote the way u want pussy. Dont cry later when were getting fucked over the next four years. The union is weak and there showing it . They dont care about you and me. They want to control and sway not represent.Get that thru your head you trashy piece of garbage. Your probably the scum that dont show up for work and is on medical all the time. You go out n drink beer n pop pills all day on breaks. Your probably excited about the unlimited $20 doctor visits. I once believed in the union back in the day. Now it is nothing more than a mafia that protects its own up top and worthless lazy assholes who dont want to work. By the way go look at the numbers apparently 50% of ford workers thinks this is BS to. Wait til the DTP vote comes in. Last time i checked we are all fighting against each other. Its not one for all and all for one.The more the leadership roles on us the more it shows how out of touch they are with the membership. Go put your kneepads on and wait for the International UAW to walk by and blow them good. I'm sure in a few months you will be on here crying and complaining about the contract.
Dont bother replying because your comments mean nothing. I could care. I get the last word. I got more time in the shitter than you have years in. Keep looking up loser!
Most of the NO voters will approve for a couple of thousand more. How will that help us from getting fucked over for the next four years?
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Jobs are not coming out of Mexico. The US plant will simply be handling the production overload from down south of the Rio Grande. Hermisillo and Cuatillan will be running full tilt with no lost work.
I do not think others believe this to be a game, and reading your post, the valid points you made are actually one of the reasons for my no vote. Someone somewhere has to stand up for what is being done to the labor force of this country.
In the past when I heard about some workers going on strike it was because the company that they worked for was trying to take something from the workers that was going to drastically change their lives for the worse. When the rest of the nation hears why we are going on strike they will not get it. We are not taking a big hit with this agreement and it even adds jobs which the country likes to hear.The extra couple thousand that some say will help pass the deal will make us look like we are trying to hold an already generous company( at least in the eyes of the rest of the world) hostage. Is it really about getting more money or is it about to just show the man who is in charge now? What does it tell you NO voters when only half of the membership is with you? If it was such a shitty deal there would be a mass majority in favor of stiking if need be. If the deal does not pass I hope that the company does not inflict as severe punishment as they could because of the near half that voted YES. If this contract was up when all the bailouts were going on we would of maybe voted YES for a lot less. In four years if the economy grows and the company is raking in profits and has expanded its marketshare then we will be in a great position to increase or incomes. For now I and a lot of others are good where we are at.
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Thank you for you years of service; I know it’s been hard trying to negotiate a new contract with 2 automakers going bankrupt and Ford making record profits, and you guys trying to hold on to pattern agreements. Even if Ford membership didn’t want patter agreements you are attempting to shove them down or throats anyway.
Mr. Settles posted on facebook that if we the rank and file of UAW doesn’t vote yes on this contract proposal that he would give Ford 72 HR notice and we would go on strike, and that for doing this Ford will answer and replace us with permanent replacement workers.
If Mr. Settles and Mr. King feel they cannot go on, and if this is the best they can do, and the only option is to call a strike. I would suggest that since Mr. King and Mr. Settles are no longer willing, or able to get Ford back to the table. That they should step a side and lets some other members try to negotiate a new agreement without “going on strike and getting us replaced” as Mr. Settles stated.
Why not turn this over to the Building Chairmen who didn’t serve on the last negotiating committee and see if some members with different view might be able to negotiate a deal without a strike and us getting replaced by Ford.
Thank you very much Elmer (wildcat) Green UAW 862..
P.S did you and all the other International reps have a great summer on your European tour. I love all the photo’s these reps posted on their facebook pages, telling all us members how great Europe is in the summer. Won’t name any names but Louisville was very well represented.
What you are hoping to happen never will. So now what. It is not like they are your personal lawyers and you can fire them. If they are not going to help get a better deal because they are corrupt then turning down the deal will gain nothing more and if a strike is called many of the NO voters will cave in on a deal that may even be less tastie. Like a guy in prison doing more time than he had to because he did not take a plea bargain at the lawers suggestion the NO voters may also be making a irreversible mistake. Just sayin.
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