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Really? Just asked for some help Dark Knight ! Didn't need any sacastic comments from someone who hides behind a Mythical cartoon character.Obviously you don't know the answer?
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If I could find it in the contract I would read it!
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What is the normal procedure if you get disqualified after a few years on the job?
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Production line must run, they don't care who
does the job just as long as they get there
numbers, he'll I could bring my wife in and train her
, they would not care as long as she did not stop
the line!
We were told that appendix "J" was not intended for skilled trades to do production work but for skilled trades to work "with" production. But then we were told that "cyclical" doesn't apply to machining areas so I take it machining areas are not production work?
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That would be ironic after the level of production support for this agreement.
You might advise your production workers to have their local explain to them what they do in Spain that is different then what they do here then. It is to my understanding that all the locals went to Spain to see there operations.
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Does anyone have an idea what the "Manufacturing Work Groups" at the Ford of Europe, Valencia site are actually doing? Does anyone have a copy of their contract or a description of what we just got ourselves into? Does cyclical apply to machining areas where operators and maintanence run machines, gage parts, change tools, break other operators, and do minor maintanence?
Great question!! What did we just get ourselves into? Who decides what is "cyclical"? Who knows what they do in Spain? I heard there skilled trades runs the machining departments. Did production just give up a bunch of their jobs to the trades?
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According to our IUAW highlights it says "Skilled trades team members will not be assigned to cyclical production work" So the average person would think that skilled trades would not be assigned any production jobs. Right? Wrong!! according to the definition of " cyclical" in the dictionary it means " on a regular basis". So does that mean skilled trades would not be assigned to a production job on a regular basis? Who is to determine what a "regular basis" is? READ THE CONTRACT VERY CAREFULLY!!!
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There is no overtime after eight hours as people would think . It is the same as it is now If you are scheduled more than your normal 40 hours per week you revert back to a 5- 8 hour a day schedule The only difference is you can get double time on sundays or your third RDO ( after 40 or your work week ) If you are on a 4-10 hour a day schedule you will not get any overtime pay untill after you work 40 hours ( article 2 page 177A of the white pages)My first question is:
With overtime after 8 hours back, how will this affect a plant such as OHAP which is on a 4 10 schedule. The highlights and what is written in the white pages are in conflict on this matter.
Will OHAP be staying on a 4 10 hour schedule or be going back to 5 8s?
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IF YOU READ APPENDIX K OF NEW AGREEMENT WHO SAYS THE COMPANY CAN'T START UP A FOUR CREW WITH THE FIRST THREE CREWS WORKING STRAIGHT EIGHTS MONDAY THRU FRIDAY AND THE FOURTH CREW WORKING ONLY SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS WITH TEMP. PART TIME THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYONE OVERTIME. IF YOU ARE NOT SCHEDULED TO WORK YOU ARE NOT BEING DISPLACED? CORRECT ME IF I'M READING THIS WRONG
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NO NO NO!!!!
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Check out appendix k of new agreement and you can decide where the overtime is going!!! temps working two days a week and not getting paid overtime hummmmmmm
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No they can't. (If you are hourly) They have to tell you the previous day. If they want emergency production or maintenance, it's on a volunteer basis. If you are not scheduled by the previous night, they can't AWOL you. They can try, and claim whatever they want, but if for instance on Friday at last break they say we are not working tomorrow (Saturday), they can't call you the next morning and say we got the parts in, you have to come in or you'll be AWOL. If you want to go in, great, but if not, too bad for them. Schedules and contracts are made to be followed. Management will try and pull crazy shit to scare the workers, but the union has to be there to bust them and enforce the contract.
The situation was they (company) called off a regular day of production and then called people that day and tried to make them come in. Where might this be found in the contract we have been looking but can't find anything on this thanks
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CAN THE COMPANY SCHEDULE A DAY OFF FOR THE PLANT THEN ON THAT DAY THEY SCHEDULED OFF CALL PEOPLE IN AND MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT THEY COME IN ? ALSO GIVE OUT AWOLS IF YOU DON'T. WHERE IS THIS IN THE CONTRACT WHERE THEY CAN OR CAN"T? THANKS
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should not need any trades . They are pulling the trades that were reduced to production and calling the laid off trades backAddition of a third shift. When will we see the posting of openings for skilled trades needed to support this third shift.
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IS ANYONE PRIVY TO THE NUMBERS OF ELECTRICIANS CURRENTLY ON ILO? THESE NUMBERS ARE EXTREAMELY HARD TO OBTAIN IF YOUR NOT IN THE KNOW.
LEP has 1 on ILO, 1 working at KTP and 7 working production
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For a trades person, you can't read? There are already 5 threads on vote count!
You obviously can't read I asked for no comments!!
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[KCAP YES--- 147 NO -- 1712
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Lets keep a count of all plants and totals no comments please
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When is lep's vote. ty
Meeting is Tuesday so vote probably Wed. Preliminary doesn't look good for passage
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If Ford Motor Company really wanted send a positive message to their workers , creditors and the general public of how they are serious about turning the company around, They would have demanded a concession from management. How about 15% from upper management, 10% from middle and 5% from lower for starters? Before they made the decision to try and milk the blue collared workers again. Maybe that could have save them about a billion a year? (Just my opinion)
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Good posting!!! Hopefully people will get a better idea of what we already gave up !! Time for Salary to give up their fair share
This was posted in the Contract Concessions Thread, but I'll post it in a new topic as well.Unless the word "guarantee" is in any of the product citations, there is not a thing that the UAW can do to bring in the work. They can only say "Well, we tried" when the company decides to move the work to Mexico or another third-world country.
Anybody with a penchant for legalese would know that this modification is nothing but helping the company while hurting the employees. They are trying to disguise the fact that there is not one single guarantee in the contract (with the exception of the "bonus" we would get) by using words such as "commitment"... Since commitment is a legal term meaning "a wish to fulfill an obligation", there is no legal ground that the UAW has to challenge the company's wishes should they choose to break the commitments.
As for the binding arbitration provision, this is also a slap in the face to employees. They would seek the services of an arbitrator (or panel) to determine the "competitiveness" of improving our wages over those of GM, Chrysler or the transplants. Since each and every single transplant pays their workers less than what we are paid (in terms of hourly wage), there is also not one legal challenge the UAW could show the arbitration panel that this would help the company. An arbitration panel would look at the facts, see that we are being paid more to start with, and throw the case out most likely as fast as it was given to them.
IIRC, the "joint" discussion on seat assembly to Rawsonville was supposed to occur within 90 days of the last modification where this discussion took place. Apparently that never happened. So they now wish to "commit" to doing it "again"... there's that lovely word again... "commit".
Remember what we have given up already.... just this year alone...
COLA: (assuming it stayed at 99 cents the entire contract): $6,240 through 2011
Performance Bonuses: $7,000 (on average) through 2011
Holidays: approximately $600 for two holidays
Christmas Bonuses: $1,200 for 2009/2010
TOTALS PER EMPLOYEE: $15,040 through the EOC in 2011, just in lost compensation
Assuming 36,000 Active Hourly Employees: $541,440,000 just in compensation concessions.
Do you really feel like giving up the most important tool we have (striking) for a measly $1,000 bonus (that won't be paid for 5 months anyways) which will end up only being about $670 after taxes?
Please think about what you are voting for when you vote on this. You are essentially giving the company free license to do what it wants, when it wants to do it, and saying to the workers "Ha ha, screw you, you agreed to it".
Please vote NO.
To add:
For those of you who are worried about what will happen to us if this doesn't pass:
DON'T!
As it stands right now, there is NO PRODUCT leaving the United States. If it doesn't pass, all they will do is go back to the bargaining table. A few words will get changed around, and it will be brought back to us. If it has materially changed the agreement for our betterment, then I could see a yes vote. But until I see solid GUARANTEES in black and white that can be enforced by the UAW in court against the company, don't expect me (or, hopefully, the majority of our brothers and sisters) to vote yes on any further concessions.
I admit... most of us bust our asses to make the money we do. Getting a little over 11% of your yearly pay slashed out of your pocket may not seem like much to some people, but for others, there goes...
- Your car payment
- Your mortgage payment
- Your utility bill payments
- Your luxury item payments
Would you like to have your home foreclosed on? Would you like your car, boat or RV repossessed? Do you want to live in your home without electricity, water or gas because it was shut off? Neither do I.
I implore all of my UAW-Ford Brothers and sisters out there... If you want to cling to at least a piece of what is left of the tattered rag that has become our union and stand up for what is right, PLEASE.... VOTE NO.
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I am looking for information on Kentucky Truck Plant and Ohio Assembly, both plants have postings in Lima for electricians. I am curious what operating patterns, overtime (mandatory/voluntary) etc.. Any information would be helpful as the postings come down Thursday.
Need skilled trades question answered by someone who knows contract
in Ford Employee Forum
Posted · Edited by lepskilledtrades
Thanks Fatso for your reply Kind of thought it was that way.Obviously Dark knight is angry about something. His posting says it is what he does that defines him? He must sit around all day and complain about how much he knows and other people don't? Now I know why I haven't been on here in a long time. So I don't have to read the postings of idiots!!