mtberman
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Wondering where my unit is 1FADP5BU0DL515858 Thanks!
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Thanks guys. Seems like diesel would be a good fit for fleet buyers of the Transit and Transit Connect, and that it wouldn't be a huge leap under One Ford.
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The Toyota Prius C is EPA rated at 53 MPG city. Consumer Reports' review of the Prius C says they got 37 MPG city. That's a 16 MPG deficit. In CR's report from last week, the first one that was so critical of the FFH and the C Max, they say "The largest discrepancy we've previously seen was 7 and 6 MPG for the Toyota Prius C...".
So, their published report on the Prius C says they got 16 MPG under the EPA city rating. This new report from last week says they got 7 MPG less. Which is it?
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Thank you for the post about why it is so important that consumers (dealers and end users) should become as familiar as possible with what they are purchasing and then insuring that everything they are paying for is delivered. As an end user I got caught up on the short end of the stick when a Toyota I purchased was missing the spare tire. I did not notice the omission until I got the vehicle home and then it became a blame game between me and the dealership. Fortunately the dealerhip eventually made good but it was a painful lesson. When I take delivery of my C max energi I know to look for a charge cord, mobility kit, and a funnel (don't know yet where that can be found in the car). As with anything new there is a learning curve and your post will help me and others to look for the kit during our inspection. I hope either the factory or transport company (hard to figure who should be responsible for the missing item) will make good.
There are so many details included with any car, and dealership personnel is bound to overlook something. I fully expect they will fail to provide me with a detailed explanation of something I think is "important", but which they didn't know was important to me. For example, we've had a couple of cars that did not come with a spare, so I don't really worry too much about it any more. Thus I wouldn't care at all if they didn't tell me the car has no spare. But I understand if this is important to another buyer. You have envery right to be surprised by this fact, especially if this is the first car you've had that was configured this way.
The C Max tire stuff is under the front passenger side seat. The funnel is in the cargo area in the back, under the removable cover.
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CR is on a witch hunt for Ford, thats for sure.
Their war cry about carnage on the streets and owners heads exploding, due to the complexity of MFT has fallen on deaf ears, so they will try something new.
NEWS FLASH: Your mileage may vary. :rolleyes:
Anyone who who has owned newer tech (turbo, hybrid, diesel) cars will agree with you. Your mileage will definitely vary, and sometimes by a lot more than you'd expect. My first lesson in this concept was owning a 2004 Prius for two years of driving misery. It got around 33 MPG in winter but would get almost 50 if driven at moderate speeds in moderate spring and fall wather. My 2010 Jetta turbodiesel was a much better car, but highway mileage in that unit went from 40+ MPG at 65 MPH down to 25 MPG at 85 MPH. My current Audi Q5 2.0 4 cyl turbo is one of the faster cars I've owned. It gets 32 MPG with the cruise set at 79, but will go down to the mid teens if driven it hard.
I never complained to the EPA about any car. If I want to know why my MPG is off, I look in the mirror.
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I agree with most of your post, however, I think Ford's advertising, which has really pushed the best in class mpg's of their cars while promoting performance (we get more hp), makes it sound like you get both at the same time. I think Ford recognizes that this has caused enough customer dissatisfaction to warrant a change in advertising as was discussed on a different thread.
IMO, Ford's new approach should be something like: C-MAX - 2 cars in one. You can drive it for performance and get good gas mileage or you can drive it for economy and get outstanding mpg's. From all I've read on many forums, the 47mpg can be had at the expense of cautious driving habits. However, if you're like me, I'm happy with good performance and 40mpg's. I'm going to be looking at buying a C-MAX hybrid next year.
I agree, they would be well-advised to tone down the 47 MPG hype until any questions are resolved. It's no big deal but it comes off as a little disingenuous. Oh well, that's marketing for ya.
C Max ratings should be altered if there's a problem. That's just the proper response to make buyers happy. It doesn't matter if they're technically "right" or "wrong" or whatever. If people lose confidence in you for any reason, even a stupid one, it's not good.
For me, I don't care. I'm buying one anyway. I had a 2004 Prius and a 2008 Escape Hybrid, and my MPG in both those vehicles varied wildly depending on the weather and on how I drove.
As you said, 40 MPG with good performance is what I've been waiting for. I was so skeptical that I took four (yes four) test drives in C Maxs before finally ordering one.
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Ditto, I ordered a C Max (not the Energi) on November 24 and they said not to get my hopes up. So far just an order number and dealer number. I am guessing it's going to be a fairly long wait.
Glad to hear the workers get a winter break. Any idea how long they close down the plant for that?
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Anyone heard if Ford has any plans to add or expand diesel options in any car or truck lines?
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It's my understanding that several users say they can receive SMS with the iPhone on iOS 6, but they mentioned that you still can't send them via the interface.
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Here we go again. Why does everyone who doesn't drive a crossover or SUV think that everyone who does only does it for image?
There is no "image" to driving an Escape, Edge or Expedition. None whatsoever. A blinged out Escalade on 24" wheels? Sure. But the majority of suv and cuv owners simply prefer either the utility and/or styling. My wife prefers the higher seating position.
I can respect that you don't personally think SUVs and CUVs carry an image. But that may be because you're knowledgable enough to know that these vehicles are just cars underneath the trim and jacked up ride height. I mean, if most people knew that the Acura MDX is really just a Honda Odyssey (minivan) with an altered unibody and less practicality, do you think anyone would buy them? Those vehicles are made and sold for one reason, to satify buyers' desire for image.
Friends that ask my advice about cars almost always get hesitant when the most practical choices come up in conversation. As soon as the conversation drifts to more practical choices, I can see and hear the hesitation. They don't "want to be seen" in one. I personally think car executives probably notice this attitude, too, and it's what prevents companies like Ford from trying to certify a Fusion wagon for sale here.
About a year ago I was walking a Volvo lot with a friend who was looking at cars. A man and his wife were near us, and she walked up to a Volvo AWD wagon and gestured to it. He frowned and shook his head. She then stepped over to my then-new Audi A4 Avant (wagon) parked nearby, thinking it was a car for sale. She said something about the Volvo wagon and then said she liked the Audi more. Clearly this woman liked these Euro wagons. The man's reply was negative, something about how a "soccer mom car". He walked over to the line of Volvo XC90 sport utilities.
I recall discussing with my pal how typical that attitude is, especially here in colorado where we ahve mountains. So many of my friends and co-workers say those same things about cars. In Europe, practicality is more of virtue than here. Why else would so many guys buy F-series trucks and never use any of what they're capable of? Just my thoughts.
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If the market changes and people start demanding wagons then Ford can fill that demand pretty quickly. There would be a much bigger demand for wagons if we didn't have midsized crossovers like the Edge. Europeans like wagons - Americans like crossovers and SUVs.
Building something that has failed in the recent past just to see if MAYBE it will sell is not a good business practice unless you have evidence that the market is likely to change. And you don't.
As for hatchbacks - the market did change and Ford followed the market.
Yup, in Europe there are wagons everywhere. I love wagons and have owned several including a new Subaru Legacy wagon in 2005 and and a new Audi A4 wagon in 2010. The Legacy was dropped because they sold maybe 1 for every 100 Outbacks. The Audi was dropped because the Q5 (same platform but smaller cargo area and poorer mileage) outsold it significantly. Audi now sells the A4 wagon here only in the more expensive Allroad version.
Some of us love wagons and wish we had more choices, but for now there's not enough U.S. demand to justify carrying wagons here. Even Subaru, which had a decent wagon following and doesn't have the same exchange rate worries (Legacys all built in Indiana since the 90s) couldn't support a wagon.
Isn't it true that most Americans walk right past the logical/practical choices like a wagon or a minivan and get something based on image, like a crossover or SUV? We all know those vehicles are compromised in on-road handling and snow-driving, but you see them everywhere. Usually being driven on the highway by a suburban owner who never takes it out of the city. That's just how it is, like it or not. I think many of us buy based more on perception, while more Europeans and Canadians buy based on reality.
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We finally saw an ad on TV for the C max last night. I don't think they're advertising them much for now. When I was shopping dealers all told me that they can't keep the cars instock, other than the base cars in white.
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Anyone know a quick and easy way to have the multi display keep the tach showing all the time?
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Hi, I had an 2008 Escape hybrid from 2007 til 2009, and ordered a new C Max on Nov 24. I can't get much info from my dealer and am wondering if there's any way to check the order status. Any thoughts?
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As the other psoter said, the C Max Energi is ~275 lbs heavier than the regular C Max, which would be something to consider. On the other hand, you could plug it in at your campsite hookup and get some 'free' driving included with your campsite fee. The last couple of state park sites that we used had both 110v and 220v plugs.
I know regeneration doesn't work when the car is in Neutral, but it would be interesting to find a way to fully charge the Energi's battery using regeneration while rolling along behind a motorhome.